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2006 Dynastar / Lange / Look Images

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This is a link to images of the 2006 Dynastar skis, Lange boots, and Look bindings. There's high and low resolution images available. The high res images are in EPS format so you'll need a graphics program capable of decoding encapsulated Postscript.

I know we've discussed the changes to the Look lineup already, but I hadn't seen any detailed images of the new binding design. It's a pretty significant change.
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awsome link
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Anyone have any infor on the Exclusive Legend?
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Nevermind.
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Interesting that the only 2006 binding with wide brakes listed there is the PX12 with lift. The previous years stuff only had flat models with wide brakes. Is this saying that some lift is good for fat skis?
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Originally Posted by kiwiski
Interesting that the only 2006 binding with wide brakes listed there is the PX12 with lift. The previous years stuff only had flat models with wide brakes. Is this saying that some lift is good for fat skis?
Interesting observation. I'm not an expert so help me out here. Seems that lift has two implications...it raises your center of mass so that you have more leverage for putting skis on edge but probably not to a very significant degree...and more essentially, it increases the angle to which once can put a ski on its edge before boot-out. With the evolution of ski design, the migration of fatness to skis not intended purely for powder and changes in skiing technique, are fatter skis being tipped further?
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Originally Posted by jstraw
With the evolution of ski design, the migration of fatness to skis not intended purely for powder and changes in skiing technique, are fatter skis being tipped further?
I think so...several of the 90+ waist entries have a sidecut just larger than world cup GS (25-26m vs 21m). Personally, I have the Stockli Scot Schmidt with a 10-mm lifter plate, and I wouldn't want them without it. They make great almost-GS turns, and the leverage is nice. I don't think it makes any difference unless you are trying to make serious turns (hardpack-crud)
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I have P12 Lifters on my 8800's and I find them fine on hardpack for GS turns, the extra leverage really helps. I have no use for a ski with <89mm waist anymore, other than if I wanted to ski bumps (which I do not). 89mm with lifter is fine on hardpack
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The new look bindings don't look as robust as the current Pivot bindings. WIll they be as dependable as the current design?
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I demo'd the '06 Dynastar 8000 @ Cyrstal Mtn this past weekend. I took the 172CM out first. Very quick edge to edge. Fairly lively with nice flex. Got pushed around a bit in some of the spring crud but kind of expected it for the length of this ski. It actually feels somewhat heavy but does not ski like it. Liked it better than the K2 Recon's (174CM) that I demo'd at Steamboat. Took it through some very tight areas and a small chute and it was quick and easy to do kick turns. I went back to the demo tent and the 178CM 8000's were available so I took them for 2 runs. Skiied the same areas as the 172CM. They handle great on the groomers. Very stable at high speeds. The 178CM handled better in the crud, which I expected. I was still able to ski the moguls with no problem. Not quite as quick edge to edge as the 172's but again that's to be expected. I took it down Sunnyside/Iceberg Gulch and it just blasted through the spring heavy and wet crud. I really liked this ski. I'm 6' and 160lbs. Not too stiff but yet firm enough to handle some of the wet snow we get in the PNW. I skied it through some dust on crust at moderate speed in Green Valley and it was unflapable. I felt very confident in the crud, unlike with the Recon's, which got pushed around in the crud. I did notice a bit of chatter from the tips when I mad some fast GS type turns through the small moguls in the Green Valley bowl but the ski held it's edge well. The demo guy told me the edges were a bit rough and not to expect great edge hold on them but I liked them better than the '06 Rossi B2's that I had tried ealier in the day. Overall, I was impressed at the short/medium radius turns and the forgiveness of the '06 Legend 8000's. This is a ski I will definitely look at buying this fall.
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Originally Posted by SkiNut
The new look bindings don't look as robust as the current Pivot bindings. WIll they be as dependable as the current design?
That is the million dollar question. But really there isn't much that's actually new in the 'new' bindings. The mounting track and brake assembly is the same one used in the NX11 and older TX step-in heel pieces, which has been around for a while, but I don't believe it has been used on a binding with a DIN setting higher than 12 before. The lever arm that actually holds the boot in place is the pivot one, it has just been changed cosmetically.

The only actual new part of the binding is the forward pressure/length adjustment bit between the track and the lever arm. It looks sturdy enough so I am sure it will be fine.

But this all raises further questions about the rumoured world cup DIN 18 version of it. It seems that all the components would be fine up to DIN 14 but to go much beyond that would require the upgrading of almost every component. There is no part of it which I would call bomber enough for really looney release settings. So a DIN 18 version might be based on that design but it could be that every part of it is different to the retail version.

I can see how the new design would be cheaper to make, and I believe the release/retention properties would be no worse than the pivots, but in abandoning the pivot/turntable design I believe Look are giving away the one thing that really makes them different - the feel of the free flex heel which comes from a short mounting footprint and low forward pressure.

I am sure the new bindings will be fine, but I suspect Look are replacing a great binding with a good binding.
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Those images rock!! Thanks for the link!
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fwiw, there was a DIN 15 binding with that heel track system, and there will be a PX16 and PX20 available before the torino olympics
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Originally Posted by waxman
fwiw, there was a DIN 15 binding with that heel track system, and there will be a PX16 and PX20 available before the torino olympics
How will these differ from the PX14? And is there any word on which toepiece it will get?
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all i know is the DIN right now, i will keep you informed, maybe coupdeville knows
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Originally Posted by waxman
all i know is the DIN right now, i will keep you informed, maybe coupdeville knows
Ditto!

What I can say though is that all around connection to the ski is much,much tighter, and the rebound is everthing I expected. I had a chance to ski the final version of the Dynastar Fluid (new and very limited Dynastar/Look system) at Whistler on Friday, and it was much better than the one I tested in July at Mt. Hood.

waxman: got a new Black Lab pup (6mos) and showing great promise!
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