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End of season powder skis

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
With the Northern Hemisphere season coming to a close and the Southern Hemisphere season soon to start, it seems like a good time for me to start watching e-bay to pick up some off-piste/powder skis. I ski mainly in Australia and New Zealand but plan to visit Japan next season and Canada is also planned after that. I have some SX11s for the groomers and I also find these great for boot-top powder or crud, but my snowboarding mates are kicking my arse in deeper powder and deeper off-piste and so I need help to choose some wider skis (yeah, I know that I'll also need a couple of lessons on deeper days). There's not a lot of choice of wider skis to demo here and ski prices are very high and so I'm prepared to buy on-line without demoing but would really appreciate some advice from the expert ski crew here.

Firstly, I'm around 180cm tall and weigh 80kg. I'm an advanced skier and like to usually ski fast and fairy aggressively. I'm not sure whether a mid-fat 80-90mm waist or a wider ski would be best to add to my SX11s. My thoughts so far from reading the forum and looking on e-bay are posssibly: Atomic Sugar Daddies, Dynastar 8800, Atomic M:EX or maybe even some Stockli Stormriders. I've also thought about Volkls but am a bit scared off about regular reports of delaminations, skis bending etc. What do you think, would an 80-90mm waisted ski be best for me or would you choose a 90mm+ ski? What ski would you recommend (preferably that could be bought for around US$600 or less with bindings)?

I'll really appreciate your help.

Cheers

Closh
post #2 of 21
I ski the 8800's and really like them. I can't see going wrong with that choice. BTW, REI has them in 178cm for $349 which is a killer deal. Here's the link if you're interested.
post #3 of 21
There are good deals out on the Atomic Teledaddy, which will take alpine bindings. I picked some up on ebay for $209
post #4 of 21
Volant Machete FB or Chubb. Deals on eBay for around $200 or less. Just picked up a pair of FBs myself.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments guys. I think I'll keep an eye on e-bay for a couple of weeks and try to pick up a good deal. Unfortunately, not all e-bay sellers will ship to Australia but there's enough so that I shouldn't be stuck paying RRP.

There seems to be good deals around on the 8800, M:EX and Volants. The only cheap Sugar Daddys I've seen are 163cm (US$290 new with bindings - a bargain for someone a bit smaller) and I think I'd best fit a 173cm. The tele daddys are cheap but I wonder if they'd ski as well as the sugar daddys with alpine bindings. I understand that the teles are the same shape but have a softer front and a firm tail. The teles on e-bay at present aren't shipping to Australia.

I think that the 8800s (selling for around US$650 with bindings - the $349 from REI are gone alread) could be a good size for Australia and New Zealand but I do wonder if something just a bit wider like the Sugar Daddys would be better on the deeper days. Similarly the M:EX at 175cm (around US$550 new with bindings) seems like a reasonable deal but would it fit the bill in deep Japanese powder? I don't know much about Volants and so will have to search the net a bit to see if they might suit me.

I'm still a bit uncertain but lets face it - deciding on which powder ski to buy is not an unpleasant problem! Any further comments or suggestions are most welcome.
post #6 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by closh
The tele daddys are cheap but I wonder if they'd ski as well as the sugar daddys with alpine bindings. I understand that the teles are the same shape but have a softer front and a firm tail. The teles on e-bay at present aren't shipping to Australia.

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I really liked the teledaddys-- I used them with my Atomic race boots and my AT boots. I haven't been on the Sugardaddy, but I doubt there is much difference. I found I liked them in the 180+ length.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=25662
post #7 of 21
I recently compiled a list of a few deals on Ebay for a friend who is looking at buying a pair of cheap fat boards. I own Pocket Rockets and our friend owns Little Big fats which are the skis I am comparing in a few instances. The skier is a expert at about 5'9" and I would guess 170.

here are a couple of deals on fat skis currently on
Ebay

Atomic Suger daddy's with Bindings. 289.99
163

This is a really fat ski so 163 may not be too short.
I skied the 173 ski of these in Whistler and loved
them, with the binding that is a solid deal.

Nordica Beast in 166 199.00
This is the best deal I have seen. This ski is close
to what me and George are on. I pointed out a pair of these at Jay when we were
getting off the Tram, not sure if you noticed or not.

Dynastar Little Big Fat 168 with bindings 349.00
This is exactly what george skis on, a good deal and
ski but some of these other deals are better,
especially the beasts.

Rossi Scratch BC 176 359.00. This is a new school Fat
ski very much like what I am on, they were more
expensive retail than my skis or I might have bought
them.

Volant Machete FB Stiffer ski than most of these
supposed to be nice, you can get them for 200 or so,
no buyouts though so you will have to bid.

Off all these skis the Scratch BC's and the Beasts are
the best skis/deals. The Atomics are fine if you don't
mind that length. Personally given the choice I would
go with the beasts. That deal has been there all
season and I was skeptical because of the claims of
missing decals. However given they have been up all
season if the skis were not genuine they would get
lots of negative feedback which they have not. The
beasts are supposed to be hot skis and they look
really cool. Someone just reviewed these on the
Epicski Review boards.

Alfonse
post #8 of 21
Quote:

Originally posted by Alfonse
Nordica Beast in 166 199.00
This is the best deal I have seen.
Off all these skis the Scratch BC's and the Beasts are
the best skis/deals. The Atomics are fine if you don't
mind that length. Personally given the choice I would
go with the beasts. That deal has been there all
season and I was skeptical because of the claims of
missing decals. However given they have been up all
season if the skis were not genuine they would get
lots of negative feedback which they have not. The
beasts are supposed to be hot skis and they look
really cool. Someone just reviewed these on the
Epicski Review boards
.

Alfonse, I have dealt with the seller before (ActionSports Outlet) and found them excellent to deal with as have others I know who used them.

The Nordicas looked a pretty decent deal, can you direct me to the review? I didn't find it with the search. Thanks!
post #9 of 21
Just bumped it, its over in Consumer gear reviews, called Nordica Beast, AKA The Red Noodle....
post #10 of 21
By the way the Nordicas on Ebay that are being discussed are the Beast 92 TT's which are last years, as opposed to this years, The Beast. Are the differences only cosmetic does anyone know?

Alfonse
post #11 of 21
I've been told the differences are only cosmetic. They have been called 'The Beast', 'The Beast 12TT' & 'The Beast 92TT' but it has always had the same dimensions & has been made in Austria. (All of the Nordicas I've owned or tried have been mad in Slovakia or Italy.)

I've talked to numerous people in the area that have them before buying them. All of them have heard about problems with the tips delaminating but nobody has experienced that personally or knows of anyone that has. None of the people I've talked to are jibbers so they haven't subjected them to the abuses of a terrain park. One telemarker has over 100 days on his and they are still going though they definitely have softened up.
post #12 of 21
Thanks so much for the info Rio! I have been trying to get a buddy on some fat boards and this may finally bring him over the top

Alfonse
post #13 of 21
On fat boards & length: I've heard different opinions. Longer than average for more stability in the pow? Shorter b/c the width already adds stability? I'm interested in your input b/f I start the EBay prowl--

I'm currently happily skiing on new Volkl 724 Pros, 163cm, [shortest I've ever had]midfat w a 77mm waist-- daydreaming about adding a fattie to the quiver... I'm an assertive skier of the female persuasion, 5'4", under 115#.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the additional info guys - particularly Alfonse for his comprehensive listing. I just booked a week in Hotham, Australia so I'd better get on e-bay and see what I can find.
post #15 of 21
Thanks Alfonse. Must have been having a brain f**t when I couldn't find the link. Working too many long days at the moment
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdxski
On fat boards & length: I've heard different opinions. Longer than average for more stability in the pow? Shorter b/c the width already adds stability? I'm interested in your input b/f I start the EBay prowl--

I'm currently happily skiing on new Volkl 724 Pros, 163cm, [shortest I've ever had]midfat w a 77mm waist-- daydreaming about adding a fattie to the quiver... I'm an assertive skier of the female persuasion, 5'4", under 115#.
imo

shorter then avg due to surface area

if you want stability in pow then use something stiffer with less shovel deflection in snow
post #17 of 21
If you want something new, beautiful, and interesting, take a look at these:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=26654
post #18 of 21
Longer provides more stability if you are only skiing powder. You can get more forward on the skis without worrying about tip dive and can ride the tails out if you get in trouble. If you are getting a very wide ski (105+mm) it probably isn't that much of an issue for flotation, especially since you are light. There was a post somewhere in this group where physicsman broke down all the factors related to flotation, interesting stuff. Not sure on the stiff vs soft, a soft tip in powder is probably better as it won't dive, but once the snow firms up to crud you will get bounced.
post #19 of 21
LeeLau, gramboh: thanks for the feedback. I did find a couple of the posts by physicsman charting the relative float in relation to ski width/surface area & skier weight. Very interesting-- good grist for contemplation. [this will probably get my consumption lust under control until I can get around to some deep snow/fattie demo'ing---probably a good thing ]
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
After some thought, epicski searching and internet surfing for deals, I decided to buy a pair of Atomic M:EX in 175cm from Denver Wholesale skis. These are going for US$365 and the matching neox 412s are $165. With shipping, this is about half of the retail price here in Australia.

I was initially interested in a bit fatter boards but I think that these would be more suitable for Aust/NZ, where I ski most of the time, and should still be fine for the occasional Japan or Canada trip.

I like the feel of Atomics and hope these will be good on the days when my SX11s don't suit the conditions. This is the first time I've bought skis without demoing so it will be interesting to see if my choice fits my expectations.

Thanks again for the help.
post #21 of 21
Good deal. Tom at DWS is good guy and packs the skis really well for shipping. I've purchased a few pairs from him and have been impressed with his service.
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