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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by LewBob
What inspired you to bring out the old Rossis? Just spring fun? I can understand that. I tried my old leather boots after a winter of skiing on the new plastic Henke's. I could still ski them.

I used to enjoy the Dynastar Crosscomps in early season. On a given day if I started on the shaped skis it was tough to go back to the straight skis. I couldn't adjust. But if I started on the Dynastars I did fine-on the groomed anyway. The Powerkarves were in a whole other league when the snow got deep or choppy.

Anyway, the skis go older, I got older. Then I got a pair of Volkl Vectris for hard snow, or for a change. The Dynastars got mighty lonely after that. I like variety in my skis, but I now have it among my shaped skis. Then my wife insisted I clean out "behind the waterheater" and guess what went first? I gave the old kids skis to a local ski shop for their kids program. I am a packrat at heart, but there are limits.

Hopefully we can ski together some day. You ever come out to Colorado? Let me know if you do. LewBob
The 4s were just sitting there so pretty (they are beauts IMO)I grabbed em on put em on the ski roof rack ....I dunno why...remember they were slalom race skis.....yep they can turn....dialed em in pretty quick....I had 2 pair of rossi slalom skis every year for about 5 yrs - via pro form so I logged a couple to a few verts on that sidecut...it came back, no big deal. It wasn't that long ago.....and they got a lotta comments in the lift line....probably cause they are mint, not like the beater 4sk's you usually see. Same day I actually took a run or two with a guy who had some old Kneissel 205 race skis, he was a dad of some junior racer, there was a big local ski race going on...by that time I had my volkl p40's back on. This dude and I set off down the steepest trail on the hill moderately bumped up. He ripped straight down the zipper line about 40mph....I wasn't expecting it, couldn't catch him....despite my high tech skis, he was a better skier....sometimes that's just how it is. That run, he had more fun than me.....dodo skis and all. He had crummy boots too compared to my tecnica expl 8's...Nordica Syntech f8's I think....double humiliating. got my arse kicked by a true t rex.

hoping to make my first trip west next year...I won't be bringing the 4s tho...either my volkl p40 plat 178's or some new volkl allstars 168 if I can make it....I'll letcha know! re that chair above in the photo....it has rossi 7sk's in it.....I loved my yellow 7sk's.....wow time flies.....I hope somebody bumps that "skis you've had over the years" thread( I think it goes back over 3 years total)....I like goofy lists...goofy I am I guess.....

BTW when I get those allstars tho and dial em next year I'm huntin the Kniessel dude down....he ain't gettn away next time!
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by LewBob
Quite simply, I don't have room to store skis that aren't used anymore. 4 skiers in the family and the basement storage is full. My point was that there is no market for straight skis. You can go to Gart's closeout and find high end Volkl's still on the rack with a $50 price. I ski about 20 days a year and don't have time or reason to go back to old skis. I did that for the first 2 or 3 years that I had my Volant PowerKarves. I used my Dynastar Crosscomps for early season/rock skis. 8 years later the Powerkarves are my "old skis" and the straight skis are gone.

BTW, my 58 year old legs appreciate the change. I can ski harder and longer on my shaped boards. LewBob
Thanks for the pleasant and honest reply. I agree, there is no resale value in these old straight skiis. The guy that initiated the thread obviously has some kind of deranged thinking behind his shoping. However, I ski in N.H. I used to work in a Vermont shop. Many people in the east have a lot of trouble affording ski equipment, especially if they have a family. I realize that a teen will be horrified if you try and put him/her on a straight ski. Nevertheless, an adult can do it and save a bundle. There are still plenty of them skiing on obsolete bindings so I see spending money on bindings much more important than on skiis. There's another wonderful way the Europeans have found of gouging us. More than likely if you go shaped, you have to include the cost of a new binding. The M48 is still indemnified. As I'm 55, I also know how much conditioning means to skiing. I've heard that argument that shaped are less stressful, but I'm not sure from experience that it's true.
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
The 4s were just sitting there so pretty (they are beauts IMO)I grabbed em on put em on the ski roof rack ....I dunno why...remember they were slalom race skis.....yep they can turn....dialed em in pretty quick....
The 4Slalom was a teal green ski and quick. I still have a funny hat in the color that Rossi gave out at a demo fest. They were the most popular ski Rossi ever made, but a foam core ski which is why they disappeared so quickly.
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
despite my high tech skis, he was a better skier....sometimes that's just how it is. That run, he had more fun than me.....dodo skis and all. He had crummy boots too compared to my tecnica expl 8's...Nordica Syntech f8's I think....double humiliating. got my arse kicked by a true t rex.
A lot of experienced skiers think that the longer skiis ski faster (depending on the skier's skill). They are more stable and hold ice better IMHO. I own an old ski with a pink bottom which glows on the snow. At first on the lifts some guys make fun of having an old ski, then when I leave the lift and ski rings around them, the smiles leave the faces. It's a lot of fun skiing and seeing the on-slope reactions, too.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
I've heard that argument that shaped are less stressful, but I'm not sure from experience that it's true.
I´d be really surprised if this topic hadn´t been discussed intensively.
To open it (again) I modestly suggest a new thread.

Another one inspired by some posts here could be like
"Do we still need the skills necessary to ski straight skis"? (or some modification, you know what I mean...)

I don´t do it myself because I´m leaving for the mountains in two hours for a couple days and don´t have internet access there.
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by yuyax
I am not an expert skier and never claimed that I was. Also, I don't recall any of the other posters making that claim either. I am guessing that you are, I salute you.

I am also stupid (your nice comment to Lewbob) because I threw away all of my straight skis and I am having more fun now...
First of all, I suggest you stick to the topic and not try and attack the man instead of his ideas. However, I never have stated that I was an expert, I stated that the skiis are still useful, not obsolete and not something to scorn or deride. This would be why I would think throwing out straight skiis would be stupid. If it isn't stupid, it has to be either extravagant, wasteful or just plain consumerism. However, he stated that he didn't have the room for them, qualifying his statement so I understand why he isn't stupid. In your case, I might agree with you. First of all you think you are having more fun, now. Perhaps after spending a fortune on the equipment, you have to search deep into your soul for a vindication of your choice. Nevertheless, I bought a Shaped last year because a guy I know who sells skiis and is ten years younger than I went skiing with me, and I had to make a big effort to keep up with him on his shaped. However, now that I am skiing both styles (and I believe that this is nothing more than a style change), I realize that I have as much fun one way or the other. In a word, I've been had. Futhermore, I ran into this guy once again after I bought the skiis from his company. He poked fun of me in the lodge and asked me if I was still skiing on the Dinasaurs. I told him he had done his job and made the sale, but I also declined to go skiing with him again. You put a young pro out on new equipment, and it will sell because a lot of people throw money at their limitations.
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
Nevertheless, I bought a Shaped last year because a guy I know who sells skiis and is ten years younger than I went skiing with me, and I had to make a big effort to keep up with him on his shaped. However, now that I am skiing both styles (and I believe that this is nothing more than a style change), I realize that I have as much fun one way or the other. In a word, I've been had.
Shaped skis are significantly different from traditional straight skis. They can do what our older skis did, and with some technique adjustment, much more. Not sure what you chose to ski on, but a lesson or some coaching might help you to make the most of them. I don't think you have been had, so much as you have not adjusted you old school technique to exploit the new capabilities. No that is not an insult or invitiation to flame me. Think about it.
post #37 of 48
I began the season on shaped skis, but when I broke them I had to borrow some straight one that I had given to a friend 207cm (73-55-63). I should have borrowed the sweet leather boots I gave him, Merril Super-Ultras. My stiff plastic rockered sole was blowing out of the bindings until I cranked them down. It was a great day and the Kazamas skied suprisingly well, even felt a little carvey at times in the wet spring snow. I've only touched straight skis a couple other times in the last ten years. My preference is for 160cm 110-60-100. I have used skis of those dimensions almost exclusively since they became available to the public. I think it was about ten years ago. I don't want to use straight skis unless I have too, but they are fun.
post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Shaped skis are significantly different from traditional straight skis. They can do what our older skis did, and with some technique adjustment, much more. Not sure what you chose to ski on, but a lesson or some coaching might help you to make the most of them. I don't think you have been had, so much as you have not adjusted you old school technique to exploit the new capabilities. No that is not an insult or invitiation to flame me. Think about it.
If you can do the same things on both kinds of skis there is something wrong!
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
The 4Slalom was a teal green ski and quick. I still have a funny hat in the color that Rossi gave out at a demo fest. They were the most popular ski Rossi ever made, but a foam core ski which is why they disappeared so quickly. A lot of experienced skiers think that the longer skiis ski faster (depending on the skier's skill). They are more stable and hold ice better IMHO. I own an old ski with a pink bottom which glows on the snow. At first on the lifts some guys make fun of having an old ski, then when I leave the lift and ski rings around them, the smiles leave the faces. It's a lot of fun skiing and seeing the on-slope reactions, too.
I have a matching pair of rossi 4sk teal poles too, how's that for tacyy...I also have a pair of the black 4sk's with the neon pink lettering on the bottom...behind the water heater.....

re the guy on the 205's.....nah with all due respect he's just better than me....wouldn't matter what he was on....as cirquerider suggest tho once I fully adapt my technique to the new allstars and commit to "riding the rail" so to speak, maybe I can catch him. My current 178 volkl's are not as radically sidecut.....
post #40 of 48
swiftskier: You put a young pro out on new equipment, and it will sell because a lot of people throw money at their limitations.

The key word is "limitation". Can it be that your limitations are preventing you from enjoying the clear and obvious advantages of shaped skis?
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
...First of all you think you are having more fun, now. Perhaps after spending a fortune on the equipment, you have to search deep into your soul for a vindication of your choice...
The more I read your replies, the more amusing they are.

You are right, I think I am having fun but, I AM. Wait, let me think about it again, NOT...

So, I was just wondering, how do you know how much I have paid for my skis? The deepest I have searched in my soul, I mean wallet, was $265. Not a fortune by any means.

I don't understand how I have become the attacker, hum, this troubles me...

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Originally Posted by swiftskier
You must be stupid. Why would anyone want to get rid of them? They can ski on them, dodo. You techno-nerds crack me up. You bought the shaped revolution hook, line and sinker. It was a shot in the arm for those who made their living selling skiis and not much else. Another gimic, another hype. It's no different than the mentality behind the quite prevalent attitude which reigned in the last era that thought >>the longer the ski, the better the skier<<. It's the herd mentality.
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
I ski both straight and shaped, loving them all. Anyone who can't ski both (or disparages one) isn't an expert skier. In fact those who are devoted religiously to shaped skiis either were brainwashed by the hype or loved the way they made the unskilled carve better turns. All in all, you have a great ski, use it, you will have a lot of fun.
post #42 of 48
Yuyax, I am with you on the cost issue. One doesn't have to go to straight skis to get a good deal. My last 2 purchases were a lightly used pair ot Volant T-3 Powers with bindings for about $200, and I brand new pair of Volant Gravity 68's for $68. $1 per mm. of width. They will probably be passed on to my 15 year old who is skiing on Gravity 66's that I bought for $100 last fall, but I am going to have some fun trying these short (180) skis for a while.My T-3 Powers are 190's, which is more of what I am used to. Anyway, I never buy current year skis. LewBob
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
I ski both straight and shaped, loving them all. Anyone who can't ski both (or disparages one) isn't an expert skier. In fact those who are devoted religiously to shaped skiis either were brainwashed by the hype or loved the way they made the unskilled carve better turns. All in all, you have a great ski, use it, you will have a lot of fun.
Well, I MUST be an expert like swiftskier said (in the Bicker, Bicker, Bicker thread)then. I really didn't think I was, but...he said I am and I can ski both straight and shaped skis, so I must be. I still have my 195cm Volant Straight Skis and actually skied them this year. I also have 177cm Rossi Bandit X's and 161cm Volkl 6 Stars, which I also skied.

While I could still ski the Volants, and I had a good time on them too, I enjoyed skiing the Volkls and the Rossi's MUCH more! I had similar turns on all three skis (to on lookers), but I found myself skiing more difficult terrain on the shaped skis.
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
Well, I MUST be an expert like swiftskier said (in the Bicker, Bicker, Bicker thread)then. I really didn't think I was, but...he said I am and I can ski both straight and shaped skis, so I must be. I still have my 195cm Volant Straight Skis and actually skied them this year. I also have 177cm Rossi Bandit X's and 161cm Volkl 6 Stars, which I also skied.

While I could still ski the Volants, and I had a good time on them too, I enjoyed skiing the Volkls and the Rossi's MUCH more! I had similar turns on all three skis (to on lookers), but I found myself skiing more difficult terrain on the shaped skis.
whoa! you are correct. I just ski'd on the 203's...so I am now no longer a "would be expert" but in fact a true expert....I gotta tell HH! That means I am ready for the podium....actually I am too good for the podium. According to HH Plake isn't a true expert. According to swiftie Iyam......WOW!

Plus I am smart too, not only did I hold off on becoming a technonerd till the bitter end but I bought my last K2 Fours on ebay for $10 and my Volkl P40's for $75. (with less than 5 days on em and MRR logic turntables) Let it be firmly stated herewith - I AM THE MAN!

Thanks swiftie!!!!!
post #45 of 48
Or you make your self a.........
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by swiftskier
You must be stupid. Why would anyone want to get rid of them? They can ski on them, dodo. You techno-nerds crack me up. You bought the shaped revolution hook, line and sinker. It was a shot in the arm for those who made their living selling skiis and not much else. Another gimic, another hype. It's no different than the mentality behind the quite prevalent attitude which reigned in the last era that thought >>the longer the ski, the better the skier<<. It's the herd mentality.
Spoken like a true megalomaniac. Wrong, idiotic, and possibly even paranoid. But then, you do have some even more pestiferous issues to deal with, don't you?



You're honored, I'm sure.:
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
whoa! you are correct. I just ski'd on the 203's...so I am now no longer a "would be expert" but in fact a true expert....I gotta tell HH! That means I am ready for the podium....actually I am too good for the podium. According to HH Plake isn't a true expert. According to swiftie Iyam......WOW!

Plus I am smart too, not only did I hold off on becoming a technonerd till the bitter end but I bought my last K2 Fours on ebay for $10 and my Volkl P40's for $75. I checked. Sure enough they were well labeled. (with less than 5 days on em and MRR logic turntables) Let it be firmly stated herewith - I AM THE MAN!

Thanks swiftie!!!!!
I'm so excited: ! I'm an expert too! I thought I might be as I enjoyed skiing on runs at Blue Mountain Canada that my daughter chose not to go on, claiming that they had signs that said they were for expert's only. I checked. True enough;they were clearly marked "for experts only". (They seemed pretty tame to me, and I told her that meant "Blue Mountain" Experts, but she still wouldn't follow ).
post #48 of 48
Thats a lot of work using skis for a chair, use 2 snowboards. If a skier vistits you, tell him how nice snowboards you stole, if its a snowboarder tell em how much you like snowboarding too. It takes less work using snowboards. Having two old soft snowboards seems to me more comfy too.
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