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post #1 of 12
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With all this hit-and run business that is occuring these days (BB gun incident, an instructor from my school being badly injured by a hit and run etc etc), what are your thoughts on placing surveillance cameras at lift loading areas in order to ID every person that loads/ boards a lift/ gondola in an effort to catch these purpetrators (sp?) after such an incident. Would there be uproar over privacy? Would the public accept it as a legit safety tool? Would it help reduce dangerous (to other skiers) behavior on the mountain?......
post #2 of 12
i think technological surveillance is always subject to abuse, mistaken identification or co-optation by third parties ...i'd rather work to foster a sense of community at the ski areas, so that less 'cooperative' people would think twice before doing these things, or fear getting caught, not by mountain 'authorities', but by anyone on the mountain who gives a crap. i remember a situation completely *not* this; years ago in the village near NYU apts...i thought i was tripping - one guy has his hand inside a parked car via a hole he smashed in rear window, grabbing a tennis raquet - and three feet away, a couple sitting on a low wall, chatting and paying NO attention. the guy took off and i belatedly called for a cop (belatedly, as i couldn''t believe what i was seeing!)...and filed a report. the couple clearly didn't feel like this was happening in *their* community. this is a ripe environment for surveillance, but no place i'd want to call my own. i think that we, as responsible members of the ski community need to step foward, and set the example to others to do the same when mindless idiots do things that are abusive...ie. unless the chairs were empty, how did the BB gun shooter get off the chair w/o getting detained (or clobbered) by another skier? that said, i recently got my poles ripped off while i was getting my skiis tuned before hitting the slopes at mt snow a few weeks back...i would have liked to have caught the a-hole on video, but there would have had to be some sort of recognition chip caught by the enhanced video camera, and then some sort of GPS arrangement that would have allowed same dude to be located on the slope or caught while loading chair etc...again, no place i'd want to ski - which i do to get away from it all!
post #3 of 12
I dont know how you would catch anyone by using an image of people getting on or off a lift. Unless you had photos or video of the act comitted how do you know who is who? Just looking for someone in a blue ski jacket or in a certain chair # isnt going to cut it.
post #4 of 12
I don't do anything at a ski resort I would be afraid being seen on a security camera. It's a place where I have no presumption of privacy when I'm at a resort as it is. It's a private enterprise more often than not taking place on public lands. I'm all for security cameras that provide a record of activity, a means of identification and a deterrent.

Resorts will be reluctant to go this route not because they worry about my privacy but because the don't want to take any actions that make things their responsibility that aren't currently.
post #5 of 12
So do you also want the price of a seasons pass, a day pass, the price of an instructor to go up?
A resort isn't going to add eyes for big brother , with out rasing prices. Don't know about you , but to me skiing is already ski high, where only the rich n famous and industry employees can afford it.
Now that i don't get my free season pass any more, i certainly don't want to pay exra for something that may or may not work.
post #6 of 12
How about banning guns?
No guns, nobody gets shot.
Or am I being stupid here?
post #7 of 12
Sorry WTFH, but we already "ban" running into each other.
Obviously "banning" something does not eliminate it. It only the clarifies the violation and quantifies the punishment. You are not being stupid but I am afraid you are dreaming. Funny how the people who call for a ban on guns thinking that will eliminate gun violence are usually the ones who also loudly proclaim that total abstinence will not work to solve teenage pregnancy and STDs, or "just say no" will not stop kids from experimenting with drugs. But just banning guns will stop all gun violence???
post #8 of 12
Fox - I'm in the NRA and would be opposed to banning guns. It's protected, man!

As far as cameras, the Patriot Act already has em there. They are there to spot illegals and Al Kada. Killington is crawling with them.

I would like to see cameras on the ski racks so if you report a loss they could review the scene and nab the mofo who did it.
post #9 of 12
Hey, we already have cameras on the hills. We call them Web cams.

But I agree with Paul, that there should be cameras pointed at the ski racks. And to add to that, they should be connected to monitors/tvs that are located throughout the building where the ski rack(s) is/are. That way potential thieves will know they are being watched all the time. The cameras pointed at the racks should be in painfully obvious positions. No different than the cameras in banks.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by paul jones
Fox - I'm in the NRA and would be opposed to banning guns. It's protected, man!
See - you want rights, but no responsibility. If you want to protect the "rights" of someone to carry a deadly weapon on a ski lift, then you have to accept the responsbility for their actions.
Putting cameras on lifts doesn't stop people carrying weapons, it just makes them more careful about how they carry them.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by JohnH
Hey, we already have cameras on the hills. We call them Web cams.

But I agree with Paul, that there should be cameras pointed at the ski racks. And to add to that, they should be connected to monitors/tvs that are located throughout the building where the ski rack(s) is/are. That way potential thieves will know they are being watched all the time. The cameras pointed at the racks should be in painfully obvious positions. No different than the cameras in banks.
I like it, but in our area they'd just steal the cameras too.
post #12 of 12
NO NO NO, I thought this was going to be about filming the people getting on the lift and falling and stopping the lift. Then the Mountains could sell the video to Warren Miller.
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