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post #31 of 55
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by L7
Then he wasn't doing them right.
"HE" was back in Boston, getting our condo ready for sale. Of course, this is Summit County......

Disski, thanks!

Big E: if you sleep with a pillow under your knee before the leg has regained full extension, the knee gets used to staying bent. Regaining extension seems virtually impossible. Ask me how I know this.
post #32 of 55
bravo! disski has the right idea.......don't overdo it.........but you're out and about slowly, and that is awesome!
post #33 of 55
OK. So elevation is better done if you keep the knee straight?
post #34 of 55
Originally Posted by Lisamarie
"HE" was back in Boston, getting our condo ready for sale. Of course, this is Summit County......
I guess the sponge baths would get old then.
post #35 of 55
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by BigE
OK. So elevation is better done if you keep the knee straight?
I think the issue is whether or not you are post surgery, or if you have any loss of range of motion in extension.

Today, I was able to lower the seat on the bike, which is good news. The bad news is that my flexion is only at 90 degrees. When my PT performs manula flexion, no mattter how drugged I am, or no matter how deeply I breath, I'm still screaming bloody murder!

She is going to ask my doc about a special brace that helps put my leg into flexion. I also have to switch from three days a week to five. The only other option is having my doc put under anesthesia, while he manually brings the leg into full flexion. She says this is not a good option. Apparently, you swell up like crazy after it's done, and you hurt for weeks. After my last reaction to anesthesia, she really does not think this is a good idea.

I guess I have to choose the daily torture option. BTW, I found out today that Katey Perry and I share the same therapist. I told her not to give me an appointment at the same time as Katy. I can just imagine Katy yelling "SUCK IT UP!!!" anytme I screamed!
post #36 of 55
Sorry to hear about your difficulties. Any idea the root cause(besides the surgery) to the flexion issue? I should feel lucky, my "good" leg is now at 129Degrees and the
acl leg is at 115 degrees. Keep us posted.
post #37 of 55
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by chuckc
Sorry to hear about your difficulties. Any idea the root cause(besides the surgery) to the flexion issue? I should feel lucky, my "good" leg is now at 129Degrees and the
acl leg is at 115 degrees. Keep us posted.
It's hard to say, but it probably had to do with the fact that the oxygen issue kept me from getting to PT till one week after surgery. If god forbid any of you ever have to go through this, when they say get to PT two days after surgery, they mean it!

A bunch of ACL surgery veterans were chatting at Uncle Louie's party. We were discussing the idea of changing our perception of what constitutes an exceptable level of pain. If we were in the gym, the sort of pain that you experience when the PT manually flexes your leg would be perceived as dangerous. It's not muscle pain, it's joint pain. In the gym, that would be a signal to stop. But as my PT says, "I don't care how it feels, all I care about is where it should be!":

I'm telling you, it feels like a mafia hitman is breaking your leg! Then I turn around, and it's this slim, pretty blonde chick! How such a sweet person can cause so much pain, I don't know.

Ok, enough whining! Time to go torture myself.
post #38 of 55
Lisa- Is it really true that we have the same PT!! I have to have some minor surgery on the right shoulder and then I will change all my appointments at PT so I can be right next to you as the "Pretty Blond Chick" tortures your knee!!!! Oh this will be FUN!!!! Tsavo
post #39 of 55
Thread Starter 
NO!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!!!! You will do no such thing!
It turns out, Christie is the official Epicski PT. She also worked with Mike_M.
She can blackmail all of us!
post #40 of 55
Whooeee, I can hear it now!

Let me know what your schedules are, I want to witness this.


ps, my pts for both shoulder and knee rehabs were cute brunettes and they loved making me beg for mercy and I never met their expectations for range of motion.

post #41 of 55
Thread Starter 
I need a cute MALE brunette PT. At least then, the pain would be sort of kinky!

I was at a party tonight, and this chick was there who was a PT. She told me to drink a few Cosmos, and she would help me manually flex my leg. I said

Geez, you can't even escape these torturers at a party!
post #42 of 55
My father is a cute brunette PT. And, he practices massage therapy, too. You'll have to fight my mother for him -- be careful -- she fights dirty!!

As for parties and manual flexing ... the gathering at Loveland is happening the weekend of the 23/24th. We plan to enjoy all of the spring festivities! :

Come have a martini or five with Tsavo and me and we'll get that knee back into working order in no time!

post #43 of 55
Didn't they give you a passive motion machine? I was using mine in my hospital bed at 6 a.m. the day after my surgery, and took it home for two weeks. Started at about 10 deg (!) and by the end of week two, was up to 140. Took a week off (doing active extensions and flexing as far as I could at home), and then started PT. The transition was pretty smooth.
post #44 of 55
Have you thought about changing PT providers? I've been extremly pleased wtih the folks at Howard Head. This has been my 5th time with them always with outstanding results.
post #45 of 55
Sooo glad to hear you are doing things like teaching and walking, and dancing!!! Woo hoo!

I am just starting to get my full ROM back and swelling down, just so they can fix the damn thing. Seems ironic that it almost is back to normal, then they operate.

My ACL reconstruction is scheduled for next Tues. I need you to be getting progressively better, so I can have someone to look up to. Altagirl is a total inspiration, don't you think?

It really helps to know how other people coped with the pain and frustration of an injury. I am grateful for this site and the info that people are willing to share so easily.

Keep on, LM. I'm rootin for ya!

post #46 of 55
Thread Starter 
Sheskis, I was going to keep your secret, but now that you've "outed": This yourself: This has been the season for blond fitness trainers to tear their ACLs!

Every doc has a different opinion as to when the surgery should be performed. Out here, they like it done presto/pronto. Elsewhere, they want you to "prehab" and get your ROM back prior to surgery. Unfortunately, my doc said he did not believe in the CPM. That may be a euphomism for "your insurance won't cover it," but who knows. Perhaps I would have healed faster, but there ain't nothing I can do about it.

But now for more good news. Yesterday, I got my flexion to 95 degrees. My doc had sent a message to my PT, telling me to take my anti-inflamatories more frequently. I had been occaisionally taking tylonol, but not Vitamin I. It's possible that even with ice, I was not bringing the swelling down enough, which may have contributed to the ROM problem.

For the first time, I did not scream when the PT flexed my leg. She asked why? I told her that Katy threatened to change her appointment and torment me if she found out I was being a wuss!

We added seated leg curls to my program. GOD, does it feel good to feel my hamstring contract again. The sensation is akin to great sex. I also did one legged balances on a mini trampoline. I have no balance problems at all!

After PT, I walked to 4th and Main, then to my studio. It felt good to be at least a little bit active again. I created a strange exercise at my studio. Rather unconventional, but it produced some good results.

You are going to notice that flexion in the prone position is the hardest. This is because the quads are being really stretched in this position. I got on my foam foller, and placed it at the top of my quad, right near the hip flexors. Then, I attached the stretch band to my left ankle. As I rolled foward on the roller {avoiding the knee} I gradually increased my flexion.

That night, my students, all Copper instructors or guides, told me I did not move like someone who had ACL surgery.

BTW, I have new student who has made me feel guilty about ever feeling sorry for myself. He teaches at Copper and did great in my class, even though he has MS!!!!

Today, my PT appointment was early in the am. I was concerned, since I did not have enough time to warm up, and I was still too groggy to take my pain meds. But lo and behold, flexion was to 105, and I was able to lower the seat on the bike!

Sheskis, the key thing to be careful about post surgery is the mood swings. I would be lying if I told you that I never felt as if it was the end of the world. At times, I felt it was dangerous to have a big bottle of strong pain meds in my medicine cabinet. There were moments when I seriously considered downing the whole thing.

What helped me the most was getting together with friends. Parties given by Uncle Louie and Skier 31 kept my spirits up, as well a visit from Fox, Rdytoski, Bong anfd Tom Burch. Even the brief visits from bears who walked my dog brought a smile.

Going back to teaching helps. Since biking is a big part of rehab, you should be teaching spinnig in no time.

BTW, how did you tear yours?
post #47 of 55
Lisa, don't worry about letting out my secret, I was bound to tell sooner or later anyway. I guess I didn't want to let anyone know that I did a dumb thing, that's all.

So, how do you think I tore it?

Well, skiing, of course! I don't know if this is for another thread or not, but I was doing something that I don't ever do on skis, and that was racing. It was just for fun, but my ego got the best of me, and tricked me out of my common sense. By the time I decided to really let it rip, the course was totally iced up, with huge icy berms at each turn. (This was a "24hour race", where they have you just continue on the same course from noon to noon, without resetting or maintaining the course.) I got into a tuck (Liz never gets into a tuck!), and just totally bombed down the hill. Got off my line, had to oversteer to get back on track, but then I hit one of the berms at full speed, totally out of control, and "pop" went the ACL.

Trying not to be a total wuss, even though I just knew something was ripped, I clicked back into my bindings, skiied to the bottom, and skiied (very carefully) about 4 more runs until my daughter came to take her turn racing. I skiied back to the condo, and by the time I had crawled up the stairs, I was in tears. Ask Darin, he will attest to the mood swings. I'm pretty sure I would have taken all your pain meds in one big gulp that night.

I'm more on track now that I know what to expect, and that I'll be able to resume all the things that I love to do, eventually. I've taken to focusing on the things that I can do right now, such as strength training my upper body, and really dialling in my nutrition.

This is hard, but not the end of the world, right? Even though you guys aren't in my yard, so to speak, its nice to have you virtually close.
post #48 of 55
Thread Starter 
Liz, I'm not sure if this will make you feel any better, but if you were able to ski at all, it may not be that bad. When I tried to even stand up, the knee buckled.

Another thing that has helped me a lot, is developing an interest in things that don't have a high physical demand, and setting realistic goals in regard to these interests. I have an audition coming up in May. We were just told that rather than reading from the script, we should prepare a monologue. I chose something from The French Lieutenant's Woman. It's been fun walking around the house, figuring out how many ways I can say "I am the French Lieutenant's Whore!"

My goal is not necessarily to get the part, {since I will be the only newbie actress auditioning} but to be able to audition without looking like a total gimp.:

Keep the faith, Liz!
post #49 of 55
I had a friend blow an ACL hitting a tree, he figured this was better than the alternative. Every thing went great, but range of motion was hard for him to get. That was the one thing the doctor was after him about 6 months after surgery before he would clear him to ski. We drug him around on road and mtn bikes all summer and seemed to really help.
Keep after it and you will be skiing before you know it!!!
post #50 of 55
Originally Posted by Lisamarie
Liz, I'm not sure if this will make you feel any better, but if you were able to ski at all, it may not be that bad. When I tried to even stand up, the knee buckled.
It just varies person to person and knee to knee. With my left ACL, I heard it, felt it give out, and knew something was drastically wrong, but it didn't hurt at all. I moved it the same weird way and it collapsed again, but I skied the rest of the bump field after tearing mine. And then when my GP misdiagnosed it as nothing I went and skied again and it took a couple days before giving out in the same fashion, go back to the doc, get more motrin and an ace bandage and hear I don't need to see an ortho because it's nothing... (Repeat this process for the next 30 some days of skiing...)

But with my right ACL - I felt it blow out, knew exactly what it was, but I was in the middle of a national championship race so I jumped back on my bike and took off. I made it about 100 yards before I had to dab a foot, it gave out again and that time I couldn't even stand up. I had to drag myself off the course with my arms so I wouldn't get run over. And oddly enough, I did more damage with the first skiing one and the second one which was WAY more painful was just an ACL with no cartilege/meniscus damage. Go figure.
post #51 of 55
Good luck. I know how it feels. Make sure you keep up with your pre re-hab exercises. I shattered my shoulder in Oct. 04 And the surgens just let me start re-hab 6 wks. ago. and it sucks bad. 7 months of scare tissue to break up. One good thing is I'm back on track for my big move to summitt Co. CO. I hear Vail P.T is cool. I'll see you there crackin that tissue. Hang out in the pool this summer.

Good Luck LM
post #52 of 55
My wife had ACL repair last Fall, got the continuous motion machine for 2 weeks post-op, and spent the next 6 months fighting with the insurance company over reimbursement. It seems that the insurance company looked at the CPM as "durable goods" and we had maxed that category out for the year. She finally persuaded them that the CPM enabled her to reach her othopod's and PT's goals for her in half the PT visits allowed by insurance -- $300 for the CPM rental and setup versus saving about $800 in PT visits. Seems like a no-brainer, but that's the insurance industry for you. Oh yeah, she was skiing blue squares at Alta and Snowbird (although no bumps or heavy crud) by February. The lessons I learned from this is: 1) to insist on CPM after knee surgery (if its good enough for the pro teams in Boston, it's good enough for me) and 2) you can always appeal the insurance company's decision. And then you can appeal again. And again.
post #53 of 55
So now you can't order poor Mark around the house when visitors call...

Hope the recovery continues well. If I knew any good PTs in the area, I'd reccomend one to you, to help restore you to full strength...
post #54 of 55
Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
So now you can't order poor Mark around the house when visitors call...
Heh heh. : Now she's ordering me around on stage!

We're in the last weeks of rehearsal for Midsummer Night's Dream and she is playing Peter Quince, the director of the play-within-the-play put on by the hapless "rude mechanicals". Well our director has added doo-wop, 50's outfits, and dance steps to the production. And thus Quince gets to knock us all over to the floor several times a night, after we mechanicals come boppin' in like clumsy clods (typecasting in my case). The gimmick is, we keep on getting lost in our steps and run right into Quince, who has to knock us back, whereupon we all crash to the floor. Needless to say, the "real" director keeps running that scene till we get it right, while the "in-play" director seems to enjoy the smackdown!

So she's certainly recovered enough to push me around on stage! Not that I don't deserve it sometimes.

Seriously, her recovery is coming along well. Not sure if I can say the same for my lesser MCL injury, when I have to keep making stage falls, get knocked down onto that leg, and carry off another actor. But we'll survive.

I was going to say there's no such thing as a "theatre injury" - but considering one of our cast members broke his hand during Travels With My Aunt, and last night dislocated his shoulder in rehearsal for Midsummer, I'm not sure!
post #55 of 55
So I guess "Break a leg" wouldn't be really appropriate right about now for you two...

How about "good luck with your play", and just leave it at that?
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