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Thanks for the email coup really appreciate the input. What you said about the Salomon boot is axactly what i feel. They don't seem to flex consistently from the top to the bottom of the shin area. They feel as though they flex nicely at the top then suddenly stop halfway down. I feel like at that point i fall over the front and it creates horizontal pressure across my shin bone rather than flexing right through to the bottom. I have spoken to many people but very few have understood the mechanics of what i'm trying to explain. The fit of the boot is fantastic but i would trade for less if it meant no more shin pain. When looking at the mechanics of the boot i often thought that the carbon link that connects the top and bottom sections of the boot may be stopping the boot from flexing properly and maybe should cut it ? This would create a softer flex but maybe a more free flex. For this reason i have thought about also jamming my foot into flexon as i have heard the free flex is the ticket. If anyone else would like to enter this conversation please feel free.
PS i never put anything into my boot exept a thin pair of sox.
post #2 of 7
What Salomon boot are you using?

Salomon makes some stiff boots. If you're skiing the Course or X-Wave 10, those are pretty burly boots. Way too many people buy the X-Wave 10 for its yellow color and cool looks when they should be in the 9 or 8. Before the X-Waves hit, tons of people bought the Course X-Scream to match their X-Scream Series skis and bought WAY more boot than they needed.

I ski the Salomon Pro Model which is relatively soft and its been great for my skiing. I don't notice any stopping point in the forward flex like you mention, but its uses the Course shell and not the X-Wave/Crossmax design.

If you have one of the stiffer boots, a shop can soften them in increments until you are happy.

Edit: Ok, I did my homework and found your other post about boots. Should have thought about doing that beforehand. The Crossmax 10 is a fairly stiff boot but you said you've already had them softened. I think the problem is too much volumn, especially since you have skinny calves. I used to ski in a Tecnica Icon Carbon which is a high volumn boot like the Crossmax/Wave boots. With my skinny calves, I felt the EXACT same thing you are feeling now. I'd flex forward and all the pressure would be focused on where my shin met the upper cuff. My mission the beginning of last season was to find a lower volumn boot that could accomodate my highish instep.

With the Salomon Pro Model (and 2 days of bootwork), its about perfect. Softer flex, narrower last, thinner liner, lower volumn through the ankle area. I now flex the boot at the correct point and don't feel that "hitting the wall" sensation. The front of my boots uniformly moves more against my entire shin than just one point at the top. If you're searching for boots to try on, I highly recommend the Salomon Pro Model. Having to buy new boots is a bummer, but it was the best thing I could have done.

[ September 14, 2003, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Matter ]
post #3 of 7
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Originally posted by scoota:
Thanks for the email coup really appreciate the input. What you said about the Salomon boot is axactly what i feel. They don't seem to flex consistently from the top to the bottom of the shin area. They feel as though they flex nicely at the top then suddenly stop halfway down. I feel like at that point i fall over the front and it creates horizontal pressure across my shin bone rather than flexing right through to the bottom. I have spoken to many people but very few have understood the mechanics of what i'm trying to explain. The fit of the boot is fantastic but i would trade for less if it meant no more shin pain. When looking at the mechanics of the boot i often thought that the carbon link that connects the top and bottom sections of the boot may be stopping the boot from flexing properly and maybe should cut it ? This would create a softer flex but maybe a more free flex. For this reason i have thought about also jamming my foot into flexon as i have heard the free flex is the ticket. If anyone else would like to enter this conversation please feel free.
PS i never put anything into my boot exept a thin pair of sox.
No worries! The Salomon looks good feels pretty good, but flexes in a way that is not as efficent and progressive as a Lange.
post #4 of 7
Scoota, welcome to my world.

Your problem sounds amazingly similar to the problems I have been experiencing the last couple of seasons.

I am 185cm tall and weigh 80kg, and have Salomon X-Wave 9 boots. I too have shin problems, sometimes bad enough to contemplate taking up snow boarding.

I have not had the boots softened in any way, however this season I had instaprint shin guards put in on the tongue of the boot. They are made by Masterfit and velcro onto the tongue of the boot. They do help! Not 100% though.

The boots are perfect in every other wat except this shin problem. I have been told that I have long shins and this enables me to come over the boot and flex down on it with more force than someone who has stocky legs (hope this is making sense), and this causes the shin soreness.

I read in your other post that you ski 150 days a year. Do you ski consecutive days? If so how do you go about it without too much pain.

Lastly how would my boot fitter go about softening the boot flex, and would this impact on the performance of the boot?
post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the response guys. Matter, I ski in the crossmax 10 boot (with rivets removed). I've tried the pro model on but the forefoot is too narrow for me. As far as the volume of the boot it is a race type shell fit with a foam liner so there is not a milimetre of space left inside to bang around. This liner has reduced all room inside which has helped. I guess as we've discussed it is the feeling of falling over the boot at the mid point of the cuff or the mid point of the flex. Coupdevill as far as i can see by pulling the Lange and the salomon apart, the only difference in construction is this carbon link in the rear that possibly inhibits the flex ???
Moose, i've seen the padding for the tongue of the boot and don't really have enough room in there to put one in. Also i beleive they just mask the problem instead of fixing it. This is a structural problem which there must be an answer for. Maybe the answer is another boot ???
post #6 of 7
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Originally posted by Moose21:


I read in your other post that you ski 150 days a year. Do you ski consecutive days? If so how do you go about it without too much pain.

Lastly how would my boot fitter go about softening the boot flex, and would this impact on the performance of the boot?
post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 
Hey Moose, as far as lasting that amount of days it would be a juggling act. If i skied hard for a couple of days and found my shins starting to hurt i would back off the speed and try and pick smoother lines. (instead of speed and ignorance). Also you can often find me in front of the tv of a night time with an ice pack on my shins. It helps but is a pain in the ass. As far as softening your boot, be careful getting work done in Australia if you are there. There are a lot of self professed guru's that know shit. (I know this for a fact) To soften your boot most people will cut a v - shaped wedge in either the rear or the side of the lower cuff. There are different variations for different boots but this is probably the most common. As far as performance goes it will feel at the start that you loose performance but i think you just learn to have better balance and technique. My old ski patrol boss traded in some Atomic race boots for some Salomon soft boots (with the laces) and still kicked my ass down the hill. Hopefully someone else will add to this with new info on how to solve this most painful of problems. Also Moose i am going to try on some flexons to see how they go. I've heard good stories about the flex and comfort can come with customising. I don't want to buy new boots again but i will if it means pain free.
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