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Need New Skis & Thin Bases Suck

post #1 of 7
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Well, I've managed to completely destroy a pair of Salomon CrossMax 10's this season. The main reason is because the bases seem pretty fragile with the slightest piece of crud putting deep gouges in the base. To top it all off, the bases are really thin and there's not a lot of repairs I'm going to be able to do. I'm going to cut my losses early and get a new pair of skis for next season, at least the CrossMax's will remain usable in the quiver. I've had the stupid things for 2 years and only have 50 - 60 days on 'em.

The problem I'm running into is what to get. In general, Rossignol and Salomon are the big players around here, and I know I don't like Rossi's. I actually love Salomon, but if all their skis have thin bases, I don't think I should get a pair. I was planning on getting a pair of Pocket Rockets because I really like the ski - it performs surprisingly well all over the mountain despite being a noodle.

Anyway, I'm open to suggestions, especially for skis I can get on shop form.

Just some random facts to help narrow down what I'm looking for:
  • I ski all sorts of terrain on a given day and don't change out skis. Double blacks with powder to bump runs to trees to fast groomers.
  • level 9 skier
  • I'll probably ski these in a 175 - 180 range
  • 6', 155lbs
  • I know I like a lot of Salomon's, Blizzard's, Karhu's (tele), and [egad] Volant's
  • I know I don't like Rossi's, most K2's (love the tele line though), and most Elan's
  • I know next to nothing about Atomics, Volkls, and Dynastar.
  • I would love a really fat ski as long as it performs well on variable conditions. Only 20% of my days will be powder days.

I've looked at K2 Seth Pistols and Atomic Sugar Daddy's because they seem like something I'd enjoy skiing, but I'm not sure how well they would hold up in non-powder conditions. However, there's easily a ton of skis I'm overlooking.
post #2 of 7
Look at next year's Nordica Hot Rods, the Atomic M:b5, you might try the K2 Apache Crossfire, too (even though you haven't liked K2s in the past).
post #3 of 7
How thick are bases supposed to be (in your opinion)?
post #4 of 7
All I know is the bases on those Atomics I bought were paper thin. Some ski bases are thicker than others. Stockli has a real thick base.
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-K2 Seth Vicious (05-06 replacement for the Pistol)
The guys who know who are on these or the Pistols swear by them for every condition they run across. I've never seen such loyalty for any modern ski- I know a guy who has broken two pairs in the alst 3 years (not the skis fault- he's part of a local crew in the terrain park, and breaking skis is a pretty regular occurrance for all of them when they're hitting 80 foot tables)
-Volkl Karma
The absolute stiffest twin tip available. At 85 underfoot, these have more than enough float for pow, but I've never seen them skied on groomed outside of the park.
- Dynastar 8800
I know you dont like Rossi skis, but I've always thought Salomon skied a lot like Rossi and Dynastar with the foam cores and all.
post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by Betaracer
How thick are bases supposed to be (in your opinion)?
Thick enough to be run through a stone grinder at least three times. The ptex should be resilient enough to slide lightly over a rock without going straight to the core.

To fill in the rest of the story on those skis, I got a great deal on the CrossMax 10's - $250. They were in Salomon's demo fleet for their "Salomon Oasis" traveling road show. However, the pair I got from them had about 1 day on them - there wasn't a single scratch on the top skin. The bases were pristine only because they gave them a tune before selling them. That tune ran them through a grinder. I skied on them last year, but not a whole lot - I did a lot of tele. This year I sort of babied them until I decided it was worth risking a few scratches to ski in some fun areas. In one day I managed to get 4 core shots on two different runs.

I like the idea of the Volkl Karma's. Maybe I'll go borrow a pair.
post #7 of 7
The amount of material taken off during a basegrind is determined by the operator. Sometimes the operator wants to do less passes, so they might set the pressure higher or turn the drum speed higher, or turn the feed speed lower. The advantage is that they will get a finish in one pass, but they also take off more material than needed. You can't make a claim that the base is thin after it was ground.

Skis are designed to slide over snow, not rock. Different rock has different abrasivenesses. Whistler has very sharp shale which eats bases, but is less harsh on the edges. Blackcomb has granite which is smoother so the bases get less foo-kayed, but the edges get beaten. Someone who skis at a mountain with both types is royally screwed.

Bases are a bit more durable if they get waxed often. Also, harder wax is better too.
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