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Supersport 5star vs Skicross 9 vs Apache X vs B1

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hi, I'm looking for recs on a new pair of skis. I'm 5'8" 140lbs advanced(not expert) skier who skis almost entirely in Vermont. I'm looking for something that can handle Eastern ice, does ok in bumps, and ok for occasional off-piste adventures. Also, I hope to be improving rapidly so want something that can keep up.

In my research, I've find the following that seem to fit my criteria:

Volkl Supersport 5 star
Dynastar Skicross 9
K2 Apache X
Rossignol B1

I will probably get something 160-165cm in length. Is that the right lenght for me? Does anyone have opinions of the skis mentioned about or any other skis I should look into?

Thanks a lot!

Dave
post #2 of 21
save a few bucks and try the supersport 4 star in either a 168 or even 161...quite a few on ebay right now pretty cheap from some good ebayers.....it's not a noodle and would rip up vt at your skill level....I think the 5 star might frustrate you a bit IMO....tho you could work into it I guess, I don't think the extra $$$ would be worth it for you...good luck
post #3 of 21
Of the skis you mentioned, the 5 Star is the big performer. If you really want to advance and have your ski help you get there, I highly recommend it. hrstrat57 is correct that the 4 Star more directly competes with those other skis, but I disagree with his assessment it would frustrate you. I don't know of many (any?) dissatisfied 5 Star owners.
post #4 of 21
The 4 star gets way too chattery when taken up to speed on hard snow, you'd be happier with a 5 star.
post #5 of 21
Hey Dave, I'm in NH, similar ability and needs and have demoed most of what's on your list as well as the 4-star. What I bought is the Nordica SUV 12 XBS, love it to death. Check Rusty Guy's review, Rio (I think?) & others. At 5' 10" 175lbs. I ski the 170cm, I'd think about a 160 for you. HTH
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Of the skis you mentioned, the 5 Star is the big performer. If you really want to advance and have your ski help you get there, I highly recommend it. hrstrat57 is correct that the 4 Star more directly competes with those other skis, but I disagree with his assessment it would frustrate you. I don't know of many (any?) dissatisfied 5 Star owners.
Cirquerider knows his stuff and I can't disagree with him, my point was the four star will make you right now if you describe your ability correctly, and might be a cheaper choice/ it is a very good ski with a speed limit tho for some skiers/ I demo'd a 168 and it got squirrely on hard pack at about 25mph - but even I don't ski 25mph all day and I have about 45 lbs on you....the 5 star however is more ski and as cirquerider states is becoming legendary- it is smooooooth, pure volkl imo.....if you plan on skiing a lot and focusing on improving your technique the 5 star is a ski with no limits for any but only the absolute most demanding level 9 skier....next years volkl allstar looks like a winner too...but I haven't tried it yet........assess yourself, and your $$ situ..and choose accordingly....and remember it comes down to you, digest opinions and then demo, demo demo the conditions in vt are amazing and the shops still have their demos - get out and get on em - the deals are hot too......I know one guy who had the 5 star and hated it....he traded it in for k2 crossfires in same size....I told him he was nuts.....but he loves the crossfires, go figure...
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the input. This is truly a great board!

Oh, I forgot to mention that I currently ski a Volkl P40 Platinum in 173cm. It was considered an all mountain expert(titanium layers, etc...) GS type ski back in 2001 when I got it. Although it's a lot of ski for me, I think I handle it ok. I want something this is more fun and quicker turning but not a significant step down from my P40 in hard snow carving. I've never reached a speed limit on my P40. I've clocked myself with a GPS going over 35mph doing GS turns. It was stable as hell. If the 4 star has a limit of 25mph, I'm not interested.

Another ski that's intrigued me is the Atomic Metron M9. How do you think it compares to the others?
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
Thanks for all the input. This is truly a great board!

Oh, I forgot to mention that I currently ski a Volkl P40 Platinum in 173cm. It was considered an all mountain expert(titanium layers, etc...) GS type ski back in 2001 when I got it. Although it's a lot of ski for me, I think I handle it ok. I want something this is more fun and quicker turning but not a significant step down from my P40 in hard snow carving. I've never reached a speed limit on my P40. I've clocked myself with a GPS going over 35mph doing GS turns. It was stable as hell. If the 4 star has a limit of 25mph, I'm not interested.

Another ski that's intrigued me is the Atomic Metron M9. How do you think it compares to the others?
Davey based on the above new info I will repost, Believe it or not I have the Volkl P40 plat in a 178....and it is amazing and is my main ski still...in fact I am looking to upgrade it now after 75 days of use ( I am probably leaning towards the Volkl Allstar 168 or the 7 24 exp 170/177, but that's another story)...but it has been hard to find anything better to justify the huge outlay of cash and I have demo'd anything I can get my hands on, I love em and I have found no condition they don't blast through(if you want to unload the 173's I would be interested btw, email me)....I have Marker Logic MRR turntable racing bindings on em and they are amazing....and no speed limit - none....if you can handle the platinum, cirquerider is correct, you do not want the 4 star....go for the 5 star either a 161 or 168...bottom line IMO. You might even demo the 6 star, but thatsalottaski....enjoy!!!
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
hrstrat57, wow that's quite a coincidence!

I love my P40 too but as I posted in another thread, I think my binding is mounted a little too far(7mm) back, resulting in me needing to stay aggressive all the time. I will probably try a remount. I heard that Volkl's already have their center mark fairly far back to start with.

I'm torn between getting a 65-70mm or 70-75mm width ski. I ski out west once a year and would love the extra floatation of a wider waist. Also, it would help my off-piste skiing her in the east. I wonder how much I would have to give up in edge hold and quickness, however.
post #10 of 21
davey911, welcome to EpicSki! I think that you might want to try a Fischer RX8, too, given your enjoyment of the P40. It may have just the liveliness and arcability you seek. The Rossi is certainly a damper, less energetic ski than the others on your list (and certainly than the P40).
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
hrstrat57, wow that's quite a coincidence!

I love my P40 too but as I posted in another thread, I think my binding is mounted a little too far(7mm) back, resulting in me needing to stay aggressive all the time. I will probably try a remount. I heard that Volkl's already have their center mark fairly far back to start with.

I'm torn between getting a 65-70mm or 70-75mm width ski. I ski out west once a year and would love the extra floatation of a wider waist. Also, it would help my off-piste skiing her in the east. I wonder how much I would have to give up in edge hold and quickness, however.
I am 1 cm forward with tecnica tnt explosion 8's 304mm.....they absolutely rock....remount for sure....

re mid fat, search for another recent thread re query on ss 4 star....I discussed that my tech is insistent that my next ski should be a volkl 7 24 exp in a 177....he is firm on it -enuff so to be offering em to me at his cost(I refer him a lot of biz)....and knows my skiing first hand/ he further says edge hold is race ski like, which I insist on (we east coast guys know why, right?).....don't want to repeat here but I made comments about it in the other thread...this tech has been spot on before...I might try a pair without a demo....or wait for the allstar(or ski the plats till they fall apart!)

If you remount your plats, you might end your search right there.....I haven't found anything better enuff yet to spend the money....make sure you got lift on em...the MRR's have a lot of lift, gets em on edge real quick....if you got flat bindings on em grab some Marker MRR's or Salomon Propulse or the like/gotta have lift(watch the din number tho, some of em start pretty high for 140lbs)...have a tech do the remount so it is done right, I go 1cm forward cause I like a lotta grip and I don't fear the "frozen granular" the ski is so smooth and stable I found the 1cm forward to not impact the skis crazy high speed stability, even if you mount em dead center you'll see a huge improvement, remember tho get some racing/ plate style bindings as I describe if you don't have em already....lemme know how you make out....ttyl
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Just got back from a weekend at Okemo.

I got my binding mounted forward so that instead of 7mm back, it is now around 6mm forward. The ski tech guy was telling me that I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Boy was he wrong! It's a totally different ski now. Much more responsive and easier to initiate turns. I only regret not doing this sooner.

On my way back home, I dropped by a ski shop and saw the Fischer RX8(2004 model) for 50% off and couldn't resist. I bought it without demoing. Can't wait to try it!
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
On my way back home, I dropped by a ski shop and saw the Fischer RX8(2004 model) for 50% off and couldn't resist. I bought it without demoing. Can't wait to try it!
My crystal ball says that once you've had the chance to ski the RX 8, you be back here posting how it blows all the others away in terms of both how easy it is to ski and, how it performs as well. Performance matched with forgiveness is a combination that no other brand has mastered in this category, IMO. It's a great ski at any price.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
Just got back from a weekend at Okemo.

I got my binding mounted forward so that instead of 7mm back, it is now around 6mm forward. The ski tech guy was telling me that I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Boy was he wrong! It's a totally different ski now. Much more responsive and easier to initiate turns. I only regret not doing this sooner.

told ya! you wanna sell em lemme know!!! That tech is a moron...but at least he did the work.....
post #15 of 21
hrstrat57, I would like to PM or email you, but you do not have either option enabled. Please PM me with contact information.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
hrstrat57, I would like to PM or email you, but you do not have either option enabled. Please PM me with contact information.
cirqerider...have to disable it during the day for the workplace....if I have a chance I'll turn pm on tonight....thx....ttyl
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
hrstrat57, yes I will definitely let you know if I decide to sell the P40. It will be hard to let go!
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
On my way back home, I dropped by a ski shop and saw the Fischer RX8(2004 model) for 50% off and couldn't resist. I bought it without demoing. Can't wait to try it!
: Why can't I find a deal like that on a ski I've tried and like. The RX8 is a great ski.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by Ghost
: Why can't I find a deal like that on a ski I've tried and like. The RX8 is a great ski.
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Keep looking... there should be some popping up. It is a fantastic ski, and worth hunting for. davey911, you are going to love it!
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Over at Ludlow, VT, there were two stores which had 50% off all skis. The store I went to happened to have secured a large quantity of 2004 RX8's end of last season. Even better was that last year's RX8 had a lower list price.

I can't seem to find out what difference there is between the Railflex used last year and the Railflex2 in the 2005 RX8. I hope the older version will work just as well.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by davey911
hrstrat57, yes I will definitely let you know if I decide to sell the P40. It will be hard to let go!
trust me, now that you got em right I won't be hearing from you....enjoy em, and the new rx8's....unfort I don't talk Fischer, but I hear they are great skis esp the rx8 ....(don't be surprised if the platinums are just as good - esp on hardpack)...you got yourself a nice quiver now....enjoy!
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