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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
We did it, guys!

The level 2 part 2 exam at windham was exciting, fun, stressful, educational, frustrating, challenging, impossible and possible, insightful, predictable, unpredictable etc.

Im emotionally drained! We all were. I will outline my experiences below and I hope they are insightful for everyone out there thinking about taking an exam, or those that just have. but before I do, I COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT ALL OF YOU! These forums have been just great for me to learn about concepts, analogies, practical advice, biomechanics, industry trends, PSIA form and function, equipment, tuning, boot fit, exam prep, PSIA C, E, RM, W, etc.

I WILL ALWAYS VALUE THE B-BEAR. Thanks very much

The sequence is from the last module on Sunday afternoon going back in time to the first module Saturday morning.....Ill use examiners initials, not their names.

Industry Awareness/Resort Knowledge:

interview inside went very well. moved to chairlift interview for teaching assignment. 5-7 minutes.
I fell apart on the last module with E.J.! Just couldnt get my brain to work. It was a weird experience. he still passed me for the module, but my on hill demo S.U.C.K.E.D. He is not the type of guy who asks too many questions, either. So he didnt try to get much out of me at the end of it, and I was in such a zone that I didnt know what to comment on when he said "anything to add?" I just kinda looked at him and said something like "flexion and extension movements, maybe". I knew it was lacking, but just wanted the whole thing to be over at that point. I was truly in a bit of a funk.

Personal note:, I thought he was a bit disconnected with us. (the whole group thought he was just going through the motions and didnt get a good read on our group dynamics, or really want to.) Now, that was my tough module, so throw a grain of salt on everything here. We were collectively tired after lunch, ready to go, but kinda quiet. he thought we were uptight and kept telling us to chill out, or relax. It threw me a bit. caught me off guard. Im wizer and weaker, but more seasoned. Ill ad that to my collection of experiences and learn from it. Its all good!

Teaching Movements and Skills:

We all really appreciated the way S.C. handled the module. He used different approaches to allow the candiates to share their knowledge even if it was not immediately forthcoming. His questions appropriately drew out information and explored WITH the candidate a chance to share or correct a misguided theory or reversed concept. (In stark contrast to Eric. To be honest, I think its a matter of experience.)

S.C.'s comment to me on the score card (...in-depth knowledge of ATS. you can enhance group handling by giving each group a focus...)was something I was trying to work out as I was splitting up the group into 3's. I just couldnt figure out a separate focus on the spot!!! I figured it out at the bottom of the hill, of course, after my segment was done.

Creative Teaching:

R.T. had us for the creative teaching module. I liked his style. He was very mellow for a Race Coach. We pulled cards on skier profile & skill level. I got the 30 year old female Yoga instructor who matched before the fall line and wanted to know what it felt like to link turns.
So, for our very patient and tolerant Red Blooded, All American, Competitively oriented Race Coach-I went metaphysical on him.

I talked about a clock face around the hips and had the group close their eyes and picture the AREAS (as opposed to positions) of 10-11, 12, 1-2 o'clock. We rotated our hips around with eyes still closed, feeling them move in and out of those areas. Then we talked about the center of our beings and things like that, and moving our centers down the hill as we guided our skis in their paths under us back and forth.

Rick was extremely tolerant!

I added a bit of tech at the end about going to parallel from there, but I got the feeling it wasnt necessary. I mentioned the progression, but understood that the card only talked about her wanting to link turns.

Movement Analysis:

R.A. for M.A. I enjoyed this one. R. was very good and moved us along nicely. It was simple with him, and he really seemed to care.
I had questions about M.A. and Cause and effect this season. I brought them up with our TD, and here on epic ski and got great advice. R's comments were, "nice job. clear and concise"


S.C.'s comments about the standards ring true (that they as a whole, work) based on the different examiner styles we experienced. As long as the standards are there and appropriately applied, (all things being equal) the system works.


I learned a great deal and came away from the exam with great new ideas for teaching. For that, It was well worth it.


I wanted to get a chance to sit down and talk with S.C. over a beer, but had to get back home. (he liked Skelly, of skeletally speaking and wanted, like a true Ed staffer, to correct his stance!)

I was over prepared in some areas, and underprepared in others. The written test is common sense, however, watch out for core concept stuff and biomechanical questions. learning styles (complete with tech terms) are there as well as teaching styles (complete with tech terms). It is a challenging test and will get you thinking!

-Name the ligament that controls knee flex that is above the fibia and below the femur: (or something like that)
anterior cruciable ligament
anterior cruciate ligament
posterior postulate ligament
posterior duffus ligament (my version here)

-The teaching style that best describes taking what the student knows from another activity or sport and relating it to skiing is known as:
Teaching for beginners
Teaching through adaptation
Teaching for transfer
Small group style teaching


Be relieved all, that there were no questions on toe nail length, or cartilagenous separators.


Well guys and gals, thanks again. Im goin ta bed!
post #2 of 22
Alright!

Congrats!
post #3 of 22
Congratulations.

Thanks for all the info you included. The debrief will help everyone going up next year.
post #4 of 22
Congrats, jpski! It's amazing the sense of excitement and relief, isn't it?

Again, good work. And wear that new pin with pride!
post #5 of 22
The important thing was that even though you thought you fluffed a couple times, you kept at it and actually performed to standards throughout, jpski. Congratulations and realize that what you've learned is just the beginning of becoming a better skier and instructor.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 

Amen

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
The important thing was that even though you thought you fluffed a couple times, you kept at it and actually performed to standards throughout, jpski. Congratulations and realize that what you've learned is just the beginning of becoming a better skier and instructor.
Ive been hearing that it is just the beginning for the quest of knowledge and performance as an instructor. That describes my season to a tee. My challenge to myself for next season will be group handling and dynamics in teaching. Because I can now simplify things better, I will be able to work in some dynamics that before were held back because I was concentrating too much on the hows and whys.

Now the fun truly begins. (so why did it take so long? My only thought there, is that its all part of the journey. kinda like stepping stones. Sometimes, while standing on one of those stones, I find my arms cartwheeling backwards, and Im just trying to keep my balance , other times im happily bounding across the stream!!!!)

thanks again guys!
post #7 of 22
I'm just trying to figure put what the initials stand for....

Congratulations!
post #8 of 22
Congratulations
post #9 of 22
A second time my congratulations on receiving the acknowledgement and documentation of your investment. Now your students get the interest from it.

PS. 04/03/1987 - fifteen miles down I-93 from Loon I had to pull the car over and throw up from the tension release after my pass. Why do we get so worked up over this??
post #10 of 22
Way to go!
post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 

initials

Quote:
Originally Posted by epic
I'm just trying to figure out what the initials stand for....

Congratulations!
E.J.= an examiners initials
S.U.C.K.E.D. = sucked
S.C.=an examiners enitials
R.T.=(actually, R.D.) an examiners initials
R.A.= examiners initials
M.A. = movement analysis

If you mean who they stand for, Im not tellin, but this is WHAT they stood for.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 

Ps

If you feel you have flubbed part of a module, ask if you can clarify a concept or reapproach a movement before the module ends. there may be enough time before lunch or end of day, and you may have an examiner who will appreciate your candor and attitude. S.C. actually encouraged this and gave the group the option to do just that!
post #13 of 22
Did you meet a Sue from Stowe? I'm wondering if she passed.
post #14 of 22
congrats, well done. Come back to Windham Mountain and ski with me some time, thursday through tuesday, wednesday at hunter.
Ron
post #15 of 22

The ?

I guesss the question is why you would feel the need to use only an examiners initials? Especially if you were giving a concise and hionets evaluation and description of the process and your experience. Perhaps you're afraid of some type of retribution from a small minded, petty and highly political organization.

Anyone can go to www.psia-e.org and figure it out so what's the point?
post #16 of 22
Thread Starter 

Sue

Quote:
Originally Posted by epic
Did you meet a Sue from Stowe? I'm wondering if she passed.
I did not meet her. (there were 8 groups of 6 some had 7 and 42 passed) she had a good chance.
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 

thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron White
congrats, well done. Come back to Windham Mountain and ski with me some time, thursday through tuesday, wednesday at hunter.
Ron
Thanks, Ron. I appreciate that!.
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 

?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidecut
I guesss the question is why you would feel the need to use only an examiners initials? Especially if you were giving a concise and honest evaluation and description of the process and your experience. Perhaps you're afraid of some type of retribution from a small minded, petty and highly political organization.

Anyone can go to www.psia-e.org and figure it out so what's the point?
Im not sure I have an answer for you. Im not worried about retribution-have at me I say! I don't have any clue to what organization you are referring to that is small minded and petty, either.
I was impressed with the demeanor and approach of their representatives on the whole. I have had good experiences with the real bosses of PSIA, the Albany office staff. Tell me they dont rule that organization! heh, heh, heh

I did want to give a LEVEL of privacy to the examiners, thats all. Im not against giving you all clues, however so there you are.

Did I pass my module for this question?


-needs no significant improvement
-invariable
-meets standard
-strong
post #19 of 22
Congrates, another rung on the ladder.
post #20 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron White
congrats, well done. Come back to Windham Mountain and ski with me some time, thursday through tuesday, wednesday at hunter.
Ron
DO NOT fail to take him up on that offer. Ron is a GREAT guy and the second best instructor at Windham.
post #21 of 22
Way to go, jpski: And a big thanks for the debrief; it is invaluable for those of us in prep for next season.

JoeB
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 

No prob.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeB
Way to go, jpski: And a big thanks for the debrief; it is invaluable for those of us in prep for next season.

JoeB
PSIA-E is constantly evolving thier exam criteria. Last season there was more coaching, this season much less, next season who knows?

The examiners DO really want you to pass, however. They are a great bunch of guys and very approachable. (except Bob S. I always get the feeling he wants me to feel like a moron when Im around him. He is actually very quiet and I think his skills one on one pale in comparison to his "group handling skills". just mho. )

My strengths were (from Epic Ski) tech and Ats knowledge, movement analysis (epic ski discussions, and on hill pratice) , and creative teaching (how im wired)

My weaknesses were group handling in an exam situation (lack of practice?), Pacing myself to get through Sunday Afternoon with more brain activity!,
and the ability to GO FOR IT while doing my segments. If I had been able to go for it, I could have gotten more "strong" marks.

I guess what Im saying, is "blend" tech, ats knowledge, group handling, creative analogies, and written exam studies, etc into a nicely balanced Zen diagram.

HAVE AT THEM NEXT YEAR. STAY UPBEAT AND BUILD A STRONG SUPPORTIVE GROUP RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING. HELP EACH OTHER OUT. EXAGGERATE INEFFICIENT MOVEMENTS WHEN APPROPRIATE TO GIVE THE CANDIDATE ON THE HOT SEAT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. DO A 360 EVERY SO OFTEN INFRONT OF THE EXAMINER AND YOUR GROUP JUST BEFORE YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE A SEGMENT.


TELL A JOKE

HERES ONE IM WORKING ON: Its about Turning Radius and Side Cut.

Turning Radius and Side Cut.......walk into a bar. Turning Radius says to Side Cut, Wow, look at that pair of shaped skis over their in the corner. Side Cut says Look at the size of those shovels!


HELP ME FINISH THIS ONE IT NEEDS A PUNCH LINE .

Ill start another thread for this one too, maybe our collective soul can have some fun with this.
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