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need to buy 1st ski set-up - need advice

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
i was about to buy them last winter, but figured i'd wait until summer to get some good deals. I haven't skiied that much in the past (maybe once a year), but i intend to start skiing a whole lot more, like weekly - so i need a good solid ski. I'm pretty good having not skiied much and can make my way down black diamonds. I checked on eBay and the prices are incredibly low. i would like to buy some off eBay with bindings allready on them and save my money and get some good boots (also need info on these - i have no idea what i'm buying). so about 200 on skis, which is EASY on eBay this time of year. I ski on east coast and need recommendations for a good solid ski. I'm 6'4"-6'5" and 185-190lbs. so i'd be looking at 180 in a shaped ski? i was looking at atomic beta rides, but need suggestions for some other good models

post #2 of 19

How do you ski? Open parallel? Closed stance parallel? Do you have a little wedge in your turns? Beginner-intermediate? Intermediate? Intermediate to advanced? Be honest and you will get some great gear advice here.

post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
i guess i would say i'm an intermediate skiier right now, but i want a pair of skis that i can keep on using as i get better.
post #4 of 19

It's has to be the boots first. Suggest you go to a ski speciality store, and find a good boot fitter. I cannot emphsize this enough! DO NOT BUY YOUR BOOTS OVER THE INTERNET,BECAUSE BOOTS ARE ABOUT FIT, FIT, FIT AND THEN FLEX.

Don't skimp or try to save serious money here. There are some good values now, but do find an excellent boot fitter. If you have to due to budget considerations, then rent skis for a season, maybe from the place you buy your boots.

No matter how great the skis and bindings, a lousy fitting boot means a lousy skiing experience. It's that simple and direct.
post #5 of 19
there is only one set-up for you, a full on DH race stock pair of Stockli's with 11-18 bindings.
post #6 of 19
Read the past reviews of ski's pick one that you like and AFTER YOU GET YOUR BOOTS, pick up a good pair and have the bindings put on. This is an integration problem as well as prefrence. Boots interface between your body, the ski and the snow. Boots must must must fit right so you can feel the feed back and transmit instructions to the skis. Do not skimp on this. It may take 4-5 trips to the boot fitter to get it right. The best way I can explain this is that they are snug as can be without killing your feet. I use a pair of Lange Victor-7's that have been customized to my funny feet and include a pair of custom footbeds. I do not ski without them. After that find a good pair that were rated high in last year's reviews in your size. With a good binding. I picked up a pair of Volant T3-Power's last year and the added some look p-7 bindings, both highly rated from the year before. Had them mounted and loved skiing on them all year. Try to get ski's without the binding, then pick up the bindings. The bindings will have to be fit to your boot ski combination anyway.

post #7 of 19
I forgot to mention, Boots $300 Ski's $250 bindings $150. Total for top gear a year old $700.
post #8 of 19
You know, what you REALLY need to do is to ask around and find out which ski shops in your area have a good rep.

Go into one of them and ask the same question.

They can set you up with leftover stuff from last season at dramatic savings.

In general you're going to probably want a good, all around mid-fat in an appropriate length for your size/weight, quality bindings and a good fitting boot.

For all of this you're going to need to be there in person.
post #9 of 19
I read all the other responses that you got and I'll say you got some really good advice. I would only add that, if you had a really good fitting pair of boots, you could probably ski on barrel staves. Also, don't be discouraged if, after all this advice and effort on your part, you still end up with a pair of boots that don't fit and you have to try again. Lastly, DON'T skimp on bindings; good ones could save your skiing career. Once you really blow out a knee, it's all over.
post #10 of 19
Care to reveal how you identify "good" and "bad" bindings?

Not having my own binding test equipment I have a bit of difficulty identifying which bindings work best. It is also a bit difficult to work out from the brochures - I don't remember any of them saying binding xxx isn't as safe as binding yyy.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
to the person who recommended stockli's: i didn't quite see what model you were recommending in your post - i'm not looking for a race ski, just an all mountain ski
post #12 of 19
sidespar, the post about Stocklis was intended to be sarcastic and not helpful. The recomendation of the Stocklis is exactly the opposite of what you need. Yes, the boots are the first thing - fit, fit and fit. Go to a reputable ski shop and work with the bootfitter. After that, it depends what you want to spend and just what you consider "good", as a description of your skiing.

Anyone can "get down" a black diamond trail. My son has friends that love to take us down black diamond trails. They do get down the trail, but they do not do it very well. If you mean to get into skiing seriously, BUY THE BOOTS IN PERSON. Then, do NOT buy skis - rent skis and take lessons with a certified ski instructor and ask for recommnedations. Then, DON'T BUY SKIS. Go to an area or ski shop that has DEMO SKIS. Rent them. Try them out. Then you'll have some idea of what you're looking for. There's no way anyone on this or any other ski web site can make any more useful recommnedations unless we personally ski with you.
post #13 of 19
a question about boots. when you buy or rent a pair, should they be a little on the tight side versus a regular fit? say you were only going to use them for one day, and you didnt have to worry about the boots eventually being too small. would you go tight or loose
post #14 of 19
About the worst boots you'll ever use will be rental boots. Ski boots should fit snugly, but the length should be enough so that your toe isn't shoved up agains the front when you're just standing still. This is so important, proper fit, that there is an entire industry, an entire art and science, devoted to it. If you've paid good money fo your skis, then you'd be cheating yourself to rent boots rather than have them fitted to you. If you HAVEN'T yet bought skis, then forget it - spend all you need to buy good boots fitted to you by a good bootfitter. Skis can be rented, even top end demo skis.
post #15 of 19
Buying boots does't have the same emotional impact bringing home new skis. However, custom boots should be any skiers #1 gear priority.

There is a list of Epic Ski member’s favorite boot fitters here in Epic Ski or you can check with people that you know who have had a lot of experience with having their own boots custom fit. If you hit on a good boot fitter then it should not hard to get a good fit without too much difficulty even if your feet are kind of weird.

A serious racer goes for a super close fitting shell. A lot of tweaking over a period of time can be involved in getting things just right in a racer's boots. For an intermediate skier this kind of fit is not what you want, especially since you will want to be able to be in them for the whole day and keep smiling.

A Good boot fitter should get it right or very close to right the first time. An unskilled boot fitter often never gets it right and can cause you a lot of misery.

Boot brand ABSOLUTELY doesn't matter. It only matters that the boots you buy fit very well and are neither too stiff nor soft for your ability. Ski shops usually stock 3-5 different brands and varying models to accommodate basic differences in heels, forefeet, instep and a few other things.

Have fun.
post #16 of 19
i already have purchased a pair of boots, i was just asking for advice on the fit of a new pair if growing out of them wasnt concerned. the reason i mentioned rentals was the fact that you only wear them for a day, so you rent exatcly the size you feel comfortable--- when you buy, at least at my age, you buy big so they will last you more than a season.
post #17 of 19
I am sorry to read that you got the boots "big" - not good. It would be better to buy cheap used boots that fit perfectly than brand new boots than don't. I once bought a really great pair of boots because the price was too, too good to pass up - but they were a half size larger than I would buy ordinarily. NOTHING ever made those boots fit right! Eventually, I bought boots that fit right and have had minor adjustments made by an excellent boot fitter from time to time. Ski boots need to FIT - RIGHT THERE! When you rent boots, rent the smallest size that you can without your toe butting up to the front. These boots are not for walking - they're for SKIING - and they need to hold your feet FIRMLY.

Th very best thing that you can do for yourself if you have the new boots, and haven't used them, is this: SELL THE BOOTS and start from scratch. I mean this seriously.

[ September 02, 2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #18 of 19
I totally agree with what Oboe is saying. They should not be too big or too small. They should feel just right. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Boots should feel snug from heel to toe, side to side and over the instep but with no hot spots or pressure points. Chances of finding that in a rental boot are next to nil.

I would suggest selling your boots and getting a new pair on sale each spring if your feet are still growing. You can often find boots 40-50% off. If you buy your boots at a retail shop, they usually don't charge for fitting. If you buy your boots online, expect to pay for the fitting, which can easily wipe out any online savings.

Anyone settling for less than a great fit is cheating himself or herself by severely limiting their ability to ski well. Rental boots and the misery they cause are IMHO are one of the biggest reasons why people quit the sport. Good luck with your search.
post #19 of 19
Ski call Surfoot they have stores all over the country. They have a program for kids with growing feet, You can turn in your old boots get credit for a new Pair of properly fitting boots. It's almost like your leasing boots for a season.
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