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Sale price 'old' Metron B5's versus 05/06's

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Just got back from La Rosiere, France were I tried the M11's which I really liked. Unfortunately none of the stores had any B5's to try.

Snow & Rock, a major UK retailer, are now offering the 04/05 B5's for £359 v the UK list price of £599 - quite a saving!

I'm only just getting in to off-piste skiing but after a 15 min hike shouldering my 5 Stars I can appreciate the benefits of a lighter binding.

As far as I am aware the B5 ski is virtually unchanged for 05/06 but the binding is lighter.

Can anyone advise me of the actual weight saving & whether or not it will be noticeable as 40% off seems a pretty good saving.
post #2 of 23
Actually that is not true, the new ski has a slightly bigger tip & tail

172 = 133-76-116 was 129-76-115

162 = 131-76-115 127-76-114

Also besides weight difference some new elastomer in the ski, I believe to deal with the cosmetic cracks some people were experiencing.
post #3 of 23
AM, there has been some disagreement about these changes that I've seen. Do you have an authoritative source?
post #4 of 23
BTW, that said, to answer the question behind the question, spyderjon, the '04/'05 is a great ski, and you really can't go wrong at that price, can you?
post #5 of 23
Jason at skideals.shaw.ca in Calgary, has sold a number of '06's. I ordered mine through him. He read the specs to me over the phone from the litereature he had and had them posted on ebay.

Won't really know until mine come!

$910.00 plus shipping with new lighter Neox 6.14.

Has anyone had anyproblem with their Neox toepiece.
I was told by a source that they did not integrate a washer to seal the DIN adjustment screw in the toe & water can get into the sprning area & then freeze. Any news?
post #6 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Jason at skideals.shaw.ca in Calgary, has sold a number of '06's. I ordered mine through him. He read the specs to me over the phone from the litereature he had and had them posted on ebay.

Won't really know until mine come!

$910.00 plus shipping with new lighter Neox 6.14.

Has anyone had anyproblem with their Neox toepiece.
I was told by a source that they did not integrate a washer to seal the DIN adjustment screw in the toe & water can get into the sprning area & then freeze. Any news?
Let us know when you do get them. I'm sure he's right, but that will definitely change the ski. In fact, I think it changes it enough that it's not really the same ski. I wonder why they did it...

I just checked my toepieces. I do not see a washer, and it does look like water can get in there. I believe that I have seen condensation/water in the toes. I have not had them freeze, though, as far as I've been able to tell (have "stress tested" them a couple of times! ) .
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback - I think you're right Steve in that I can't really go wrong at that price. Anyway, I've just seen a pic of the new model B5 & the old paint job matches my jacket better so that's the clincher. I phoned the store today & they've one pair left so they're keeping them for me until I can call in tomorrow.

They asked me which position I wanted the binding mounting. I said the forward most position, is that considered the best postition?
post #8 of 23
I ski mine in the forward position. There has been some discussion here about that, and you can move them, if you want to do.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
Steve, thanks for the speedy reply. Busy day at the office eh?

Forward it is then. The real expense will be trying to sneak in another few days before the end of the season to try them.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by ssh
Let us know when you do get them. I'm sure he's right, but that will definitely change the ski. In fact, I think it changes it enough that it's not really the same ski. I wonder why they did it...

I just checked my toepieces. I do not see a washer, and it does look like water can get in there. I believe that I have seen condensation/water in the toes. I have not had them freeze, though, as far as I've been able to tell (have "stress tested" them a couple of times! ) .
I wondered why the changed them also. Probably did some testing and found the new shape better in some respect or other. I'll see what I can find out from Atomic.
post #11 of 23
I finally found my '05 catalogue, comparing to the '06 catalogue I see there are changes but I'm sure I was told there would be none as far as dimensions. I've been skiing on the 06 metron10 the last few weeks. New shape or not they're sweet. They are a bit softer. Significantly shorter pulse arms and more elastamer on the ends. Softens the ski quite a bit up front and some at the tail but similar mid body. I like them even better off piste and in bumps then the 05s because of it. Wouldn't have minded them softening them a hair less but a tad softer shovel was a good thing. I believe the pulse is shorter on the M11 as well but haven't thought to flex a pair to feel the effect. Shouldn't be any change flex wise for b5.

I have seen some snow get in the toe, not sure where or why. Seems a minor issue and minor amount but can make it tough to see the DIN scale for adjustment through the day as they are skied.
post #12 of 23
I always thought the spring and internal mechnism was sealed to keep moisture and dirt & so forth out of the internals.

I was worried since out here in the PNW it can be wet and then freeze quickly and wouldn't want the spring and any internals to freeze up.

I heard they were putting a gasket of sorts on the toe of the 06 model.
post #13 of 23
So, L7, what differences do you see? What are the dimensions of your new M:10s?
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Actually that is not true, the new ski has a slightly bigger tip & tail

172 = 133-76-116 was 129-76-115

162 = 131-76-115 127-76-114
The sidecut radius is getting even smaller???

Greg
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
I'm now a proud owner of a pair of shiny new 05 B5's in 162cm. Interestingly, the store asked me to sign-off the receipt that I had requested them to mount the bindings in the forward position.

Hopefully will be able to try them in the next week or two.

Man they were heavy carrying them from the store to my car - hate to think what they'd be like in a longer length!

I've a great Spy backpack but it doesn't have a ski carry facility so the first thing I'm going to do is to make up some hiking straps. Probably get one of those shoulder quiver things as well for short distances.

Thanks to everyone for their feedback & assistance.
post #16 of 23

06 B5

I too bought the 06 B5’s from Jason.

I took the time to write Atomic before making the purchase. Nicole from Atomic wrote back and said she did not know of any difference between the 05 and 06. It sounds like she was wrong. You do your due diligence and you come up empty. No matter, I’m thoroughly happy with the skis.


I too ski them forward.



I can confirm my tip is 131, but I don't remember the other numbers.

I have the 06 bindings (1.15 lbs lighter I think) and I have seen snow/moisture in there many times. Does anyone think this is something to worry about long term?
post #17 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by B R
I too bought the 06 B5’s from Jason.

I took the time to write Atomic before making the purchase. Nicole from Atomic wrote back and said she did not know of any difference between the 05 and 06. It sounds like she was wrong. You do your due diligence and you come up empty. No matter, I’m thoroughly happy with the skis.


I too ski them forward.



I can confirm my tip is 131, but I don't remember the other numbers.

I have the 06 bindings (1.15 lbs lighter I think) and I have seen snow/moisture in there many times. Does anyone think this is something to worry about long term?
I believe the Neox has a five year warranty.
post #18 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
So, L7, what differences do you see? What are the dimensions of your new M:10s?
I finally looked at the skis today. 126 74 110 on the M10 for 06. That's 4mm fatter in the tip same under foot and 2mm more at the tail but still calling them 13.5m.

It's too many numbers really. I love the skis that's all.
post #19 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by L7
I finally looked at the skis today. 126 74 110 on the M10 for 06. That's 4mm fatter in the tip same under foot and 2mm more at the tail but still calling them 13.5m.

It's too many numbers really. I love the skis that's all.
My B5's came in today. I have to go pick them up shortly. Betaracer says the dimensions are the same as last years but the graphics have a different measurement. I measure mine and report!
post #20 of 23

B5 dimensions!

Well folks the verdict is in! Can I get a drum roll & a fanfare!

The new B5 in a 172cm has exactly the same dimensions as last years but says on the ski:
133-76-116=12M

I measured 'em and they measure 129-76-116
post #21 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Well folks the verdict is in! Can I get a drum roll & a fanfare!

The new B5 in a 172cm has exactly the same dimensions as last years but says on the ski:
133-76-116=12M

I measured 'em and they measure 129-76-116
What's up with that?!?!?! Geez! Lies, damn lies, and marketing lies, I guess... :
post #22 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
What's up with that?!?!?! Geez! Lies, damn lies, and marketing lies, I guess... :
My name is Gunther I am zee proof reada for zee Atomics. I could not very vell read the specs on zee new B5 so I made up zee numbers for graphics person.

Heck, who knows what those crazy Austrian's were thinkin" but they sure know how to build a ski.
post #23 of 23
Interesting. I too bought my '06 B:5's, 172 cm, from Jason in Calgary. Nice guy and helpful (also got my R:11's from him last year). I paid the same price as the rest of you, and I'm delighted.

I didn't notice the dimension figures on the tail, but the ski looked about the same as the '05's that I demo'd.

I just returned from 5 days at Tahoe. Although I was mostly on my M:EX's due to the huge amount of snow, the B:5's were a hoot.

It's amazing how these beefy boys can dance lightly down the fall line. They initiate a carve better than any ski I've ever owned, and can hold an edge with the best of 'em. I feel like Superman on these things.

The only issue for me, as everyone's mentioned, is the carry weight. It's a zero issue on the hill. But, lugging these babies from the lot to the lift is indeed a chore.

However, once you click in, all is forgiven!
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