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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hey gang,
After too many seasons as a seasonal VT resident, my bear & I are looking to move there on a full-time basis. Anyone out there have any suggestions or pitfalls we should avoid?
thanks,
brian
post #2 of 25
We thought about this for a long time as well (family circumstances prevent it for now), so I subscribed to Vermont Property Owners Report for a while. It has some good info about tax pitfalls.
post #3 of 25
All too common story---The New Yorker who thinks it is going to be a nice place to settle in and get away from the "Rat Race".

If this is a retirement ---I'd say maybe. Other than that I'd say no.
The negatives---Taxes---harsh environment---jobs (limited)--wages (more limited than jobs) The cost of your electric bill in the winter---(get a wood stove you think) then ---the cost of your chiropractor and chimney sweep (5 cords is a lot of wood to move every year). Food and Fuel costs--Isolation during Mud Season and Hunting season (unless you hunt). You may never see your property gain in value past the point of inflation.

YOU WILL NEVER BE TRUELY BE ACCEPTED BY THE LOCALS-until you are 5th generation--and they will tell you that.

The positives---It is a really beautiful place. If you are an outdoor person, there is a lot to do most of the year. It's quiet (away from the towns anyway).
post #4 of 25
Yeah, don't talk to Bonni.


My in-laws just retired and moved there and they love it. They have been making friends left and right. They have passes at Killington and Okemo.
post #5 of 25
I came to VT from NH, not too far away. I always lived on the boarder and said I would never live "there". I moved after I had my son, and now I will never go back to NH. Going from no taxes to everything has taxes was no big deal for me.

Here are a few of the benefits for me, which may or may not be relative for you:

Car Registration...by mail, for two years a pop. No taking a day off of work to get this done. Also, year to year, no birthday shananigans... and at a set renewal fee, not based on the age of your car.

License Renewal...by mail.

Town Meeting Day...day off from work and makes you want to get involved. No late nights away from the kids at the end of a tiring day.

DMV...by far the best setup I have seen in a long time! You just have to see for yourself.

Roads... the mountain passes are taken care of better than the main routes.

Business...great benefits for potential or existing businesses.

Downfalls:

Yes, heating your house in the winter is a pain, I live in a barn...I know, silly me .
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Yeah, don't talk to Bonni.


My in-laws just retired and moved there and they love it. They have been making friends left and right. They have passes at Killington and Okemo.
Hey!

All I can say is: Bring your job with you, cuz there ain't none here.
post #7 of 25
Vermont has been just terrible I'm never goona move here again.

My kids have way too good a time, and our association with our community just takes up too much of our time.

Heck, I need to go off to a special selectboard meeting in 10 minutes. Oh! that too, local government, by the people. What a bother.

Nope! I'm never coming back here to live again!

(Sometimes on my way into work, I comment to myself how many poeple would take this drive just to enjoy the scenery, to vacation, and recreate. Heck! I get to live here!

Oh Well don't do it for the money!

CalG
post #8 of 25
A lot in common with us here in Colorado, eh?
post #9 of 25
I moved to northern Vermont from Connecticut in 1996. I love living here. It's one of the most beautiful places on Earth--I live in a place where people come to vacation. We love the outdoors and never run out of things to do: kayaking, canoeing, hiking, biking, skiing, snowshoeing, backcountry touring, and so forth. Since we're near Burlington, there are a lot of free and cheap events during the summer, including concerts. Burlington also has culture, including theater, gourmet dining, wine tastings, etc. Someday my husband and I want to move out West, but until then, we're happy in Vermont (he is from NH, moved here in 1978).

How do I make a living? I am self-employed because I couldn't find a good job. I met my husband here, while skiing at Jay. He has a "real job" that provides insurance. He is also a volunteer ski patroller, which enabled him to afford getting his three kids into skiing because he gets a family pass.

Many people I know have an interesting job perk that you don't find elsewhere: A "powder day" is a valid reason for skipping work to go to the mountain. Many bosses here are skiers too, so they completely understand.

Most people who move here DO make sacrifices: Housing is expensive, decent jobs are few, so you move here for the lifestyle and realize you may have to adjust your living standards. I think it helps you figure out what is really important in life. Sometimes, you discover living here is worth the sacrifices, and sometimes you realize how much you miss the comforts and convenience of being in/near a city. I've lived in West Haven, Boston, L.A., Raleigh, and a few other large cities, and I enjoyed them all, but I can honestly say that there are very few times I wish I lived in a city again.

You will probably never know until you try it.

Thatsagirl
post #10 of 25
Thatsagirl, If you think housing is expensive near Jay Peak, you should check out the prices here in Southern Connecticut!
post #11 of 25
Moving to VT isn't as scary as you think. Of course, I moved 'west' to get here (from Maine!)...and since I lived in Carrabassett Valley, anyplace in VT seemed like a metropolis.

Pick your location carefully. If you have your own biz and can work from home, then look in the off center locations - Granville - south of Mad River Valley, real estate is cheaper, little longer drive to 'civilization', NE Kingdom in some places. Anything that is well inhabited by 2nd home owners is going to be more expensive, but if you're willing to drive a bit to your favorite mountain, rather than live at the base of it, you may be surprised by some hidden real estate gems.
Remember as well, the seasons in upper New England are different from those 'down south'...winter, mud season, summer & stick season.
post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 
thanks guys/gals...
We have been 70 plus days per yr. residents in VT at sugarbush/waitsfield area. We spend most of our time in NY figuring how to get back up to Vt. I was offered a job in Middlebury in Nov 03, but the timing was just not right for us. My bear & I are both in the medical field, so we have to search for 2 jobs. We both expect some level of compromise in a move. I'm sure not to find the exact sitiuation we have here. thanks again
post #13 of 25
This is the most entertaining thread I have read in awhile !

valleygrl--you are really not telling us that you managed to actually register your car by mail in less than 3 attempts are you !
If so you are either a genius or things have really changed. Write "black" instead of "blk", "yellow" instead of "yel" and back comes the application ! None of the official abbreviations are posted anywhere you are just supposed to know ! Three round trips were always considered normal.

CAL ? Am I wrong ? Aren't you "Jumpin Jim Jeffords" district ?
Did you know the voters in the town of Dover (MT. Snow) actually voted to ADD .02 / 1000 at the town level for legal fees to fight.......WITH THE STATE.....AH VT politics. By the way, on the other side of the state (Bennington) there is a yearly meeting and a vote to succeed from the Union (that would be the US) because the state pays into the Feds more than it gets back ? And every year it's a thumbs up to leave !

That a grl-----Good move. Nothings worse than CT ! I'm going to PM you with some really nice folks in Burlington you should find and ski with !

crank----yep my sis lives in Greenfield Hill in Fairfield. Want to see some really expensive housing---try moving down here to the beach. Cost of living over all is cheap, but our housing value is going up 24%-28% a year and has been for the last 5. (County appraisal and RE appraisal numbers)

My nice little 1420 thing on a canal ......about to hit $ 400,000.

I can go online to realtor.com and see houses for sale in So. VT that I built just before the 87 crash that are for sale again at less the cost of inflation.

The beauty of the state can only take you just so far. I loved my years there, but the economy here allows me to take 6 weeks a year off to head west every year. (ssh---see you in 11 days !)

I-rip ......VT in a nutshell.
post #14 of 25
Thatsagirl is right-housing here is very expensive. It may not seem so to you folks downcountry, but it is for folks who live and work here. There is a housing shortage, especially in Chittenden County, and especially in affordable housing. Salaries have not kept pace with the rise in housing costs. I was born and raised here and chose to stay. Luckily I found a great job. Others are not so lucky, working 2 & 3 jobs to make ends meet.

There is some interesting reading here: http://www.housingawareness.org/publ...wages-2004.pdf

If you're serious about moving up here, line up your jobs first. Fletcher Allen in Burlington, Central VT in Berlin, Dartmouth Hitchcock in Lebanon NH and Rutland Regional are the large hospitals here.

Definately be prepared for some culture shock. Vermont is a place where community comes first and there is very little materialism.

If you can handle it, there is no better place to be, IMO.

Good luck!
post #15 of 25
Here is the Diary of someone who moved to Snow Country.

You could replace Windham, NY with any snow country town.

http://thestache.tripod.com/windhamunderground/id9.html
post #16 of 25
Quote:
you are really not telling us that you managed to actually register your car by mail in less than 3 attempts are you !
If so you are either a genius or things have really changed. Write "black" instead of "blk", "yellow" instead of "yel" and back comes the application ! None of the official abbreviations are posted anywhere you are just supposed to know ! Three round trips were always considered normal.
Guess what...you can even now renew on line! VT is slowing joining the rest of the world - you can even use a credit card (gasp!)

Irip - if you've been hanging here in the Valley you're probably pretty aware of the real estate situation. If you're in the medical field, you have lots of options, all within an hour or so of here...Dartmouth Hitchcock is an hour and twenty minutes, Fletch-Allen an hour...if you go with Middlebury you still have the option of buying a larger place down in Granville, which keeps you in reach of the Valley while having a relatively easy trip to M-bury.

Looking at the blue skis, the snow covered trails and the beautiful day we're having here right now...it's a great place to live!
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by crank
Thatsagirl, If you think housing is expensive near Jay Peak, you should check out the prices here in Southern Connecticut!
I don't live near Jay Peak, I live near Burlington. As btvski said, housing is expensive relative to income here and there is a shortage too. My husband used to live near Jay Peak, where the housing is cheaper, but he had to commute more than an hour, over Jay Peak, to get to work. If you want a decent job, you have to live near or commute to one of the "cities."

As I mentioned, I used to live in Southern Connecticut, and most of my family still lives there, so I am well aware that housing is expensive there too. Heck, my brother lives in Fairfax, VA, and housing is outrageous there! I am just trying to dispel the perception that it is cheap to live in Vermont, when that is not true after you consider income and job options.

However, someone who owns a house in a place like Southern Connecticut, Massachusetts or New York who sells it to move to Vermont will find that they can afford to buy a house here because of the equity you probably have.

Thatsagirl
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie
This is the most entertaining thread I have read in awhile !
Agree.
post #19 of 25
If you moved to Vermont, it will be diferent, very diferent but a good diferent...speaking only for myself. Your employment situation makes the financial part pretty easy, comparably. The comment " bring your job with you" is a good one although there are professional jobs in Vermont.


I personally know people in the medical field who live here in the Mad River Valley and work/commute to the hospital in Berlin. It's about 30-40 minutes but there is no gridlock just beautiful Vermont scenery. Montpelier is a great and very unique place to life, lived there for a couple of years and commuted to Sugarbush.

Since we were driving around to the area's sugarhouses last weekend for the Vermont State Maple Day, my favorite holiday....lol, we checked places around Montpelier, like Calais, Woodbury, East Montpelier, prices are reasonable.

The real Vermont is rural Vermont...not Burlington. Both options exist, tho. Please realize alot of people love Burlington, for a city/surburban center, regarding Vermont demographics , it's not to bad. Again, a hick's perspective.

Making a big life change is scary. It took me 10 years to get up the gumption to leave Jackson Hole after living there for 17 years and return to the homeland of Vermont. Looking back I wished I had moved back 10 years earlier.

Good luck!
post #20 of 25
just curious, but what makes Vt a better place for you to live than JH? (I'd take the Hobacks over Stowe/Sugarbush/MGR any time).
post #21 of 25
As I got older I wanted to own a home..a piece of property I can call my own. Homes prices are thru the roof in the valley, not attainaable if you don't have alot of cash. Just check a JH real estate site. check the classified in the paper. Lots of jobs but no affordable place to live. They have been wrestling with the "affordable housing" thing for many years, have made some baby steps.

Conversly, if two or three friends want to share a place, work at the village and ski....that's much more doable. I highly reccomend that for anyone who loves to ski.


Most workers either live in Idaho and have to come over Teton Pass everyday or live in Star Valley, 60 miles away, driving thru Snake River Canyon. Thanks, but no thanks. After being there for so many years my priorties changed.

Also..got pretty burned out on the crowds and gridlock in the summer tho working out at the ski area during ther summer was the best....much more mellow than Jackson and that whole GTNP/YNP corridor, or at least it used to be.

To sum it up...moving to Vermont from Jackson Hole had litle to do with skiing.
post #22 of 25
I just realized what I miss the most about VT, with all the DMV talk here.

Please don't tell me they did away with the cardboard drivers lic with all your info typed in and no picture-----did they ?
post #23 of 25
Ha! I remember those - actually I think NJ was the last state to still use them.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie
I just realized what I miss the most about VT, with all the DMV talk here.

Please don't tell me they did away with the cardboard drivers lic with all your info typed in and no picture-----did they ?
Gone! They have pictures, they're plastic and they have fancy imprints to prevent counterfeiting too! I'm sure you know what all the "real Vermonters" said: "Those darn flatlanders take over our state and bring in all kinds of newfangled gadgets."

Thatsagirl
post #25 of 25
Oh, you don't need to have a photo DL. I have the old green one in my wallet!

CalG
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