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Fire away. GS this afternoon.

post #1 of 20
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http://www.sportspageskiandpatio.com...teditedweb.jpg

Fire away, rounder line than intended, and a whole bunch of issues with technique.

http://www.sportspageskiandpatio.com...neditedweb.jpg

My buddy, better line, less A-frame, etc. If this guy finishes a race, he's usually a good bit quicker.
post #2 of 20
Thread Starter 
Okay, since people (including myself) often talk about how silly it is to pick apart skiing based on a single frame, I put together a two minute sequence of Roman's GS/SL runs and a freeskiing run. I also included my worst GS run at half speed for extra painful viewing. There is also a little bit of Roman freeskiing, which I didn't partake in because I didn't have SL skis with me. Freeskiing on green terrain on 21m GS skis looks a bit lame.

Anyways, the file is about 7MB:

Here

If you are interested in seeing the higher quality and more edited/longer version, click on this link. About 20MB. None of the half speed stuff in this one.

And here

If those files are too big, lemme know and I can cut them into smaller bitty pieces.
post #3 of 20
Could be me, but I got a connection refused error on all links.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Could be me, but I got a connection refused error on all links.
Not you. The expletive deleted ISP was being expletive deleted.

They should work now, though I have no clue whether or not they will continue to do so. Note that this is not free hosting, I'm paying good money for this BS. End of rant, sorry for inconvenience.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by skiingman
http://www.sportspageskiandpatio.com...teditedweb.jpg

Fire away, rounder line than intended, and a whole bunch of issues with technique.

http://www.sportspageskiandpatio.com...neditedweb.jpg

My buddy, better line, less A-frame, etc. If this guy finishes a race, he's usually a good bit quicker.
I think your skiing looks very impressive. And your buddy also has an A-frame so dont put yourself down too much. It would have been better to have picktures of both of you at the exact same gate to see the real differences. Both of you seem to have good GS technique. CM in the right place.
post #6 of 20
Downloaded the first of the 2 videos. Looks like it was filmed here on our home hill on the other side of the globe. I cannot really comment on the technique since your buddys runs were at normal speed and your run was in slowmotion. If you said your friend makes better times I could maybe sence a bit of stiffness in your skiing. Your friends leggs work well and its more dynamic looking. I liked the way he got airborne a couple of times free skiing
post #7 of 20
You guys look pretty good. Definitely a lot of good things going on here.

Is it just me, or are your hips a little far back/inside? At first I thought it was more a result of the tuck turns, but it shows up in the slalom and freeskiing sections as well. I would work on squaring the hips up a little to eliminate the a-frame and you guys will be really on top of it.
post #8 of 20
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Mike, we definitely tend to get the hips further back/inside than they should be. Its an unfortunate side effect of running gates on easy terrain quite a bit. Next week's film will be some SL/GS on a steeper pitch, and it will be interesting to see if we adapt and get our hips up and forward there.

tdk, the slowmo run of me does have some serious issues. You really can see where stiffness makes me lose my turn just below the gate before regaining it again. Very good point. Also, believe it or not those photos are at exactly the same gate. Photographer is just in a lower and slightly moe inside position for the photo of me. Interesting how different they look as a result, isn't it?

Thank you for the comments. Epicski rocks.
post #9 of 20
skiingman, yes I saw that the picktures were taken at the same gate but its a shame they are not taken from the exact same spot. Looks like you had much more speed.

I would love to see next weeks video. Keep us posted.

BTW, take a look at this girl for some serious GS action:
http://www.v1sports.com/academy/ussa/default.asp

2005 World Junior Championships, Italy. Women's GS - Holmner SWE- 1st Run winner

The link is from another therad of today. Cool.
post #10 of 20
First, you are obviously an experienced, aggressive racer who definitely knows how to turn and carve well, but with a couple minor changes, I think you could be faster. I couldn't access the video (at work any streaming media is blocked), so this is based on the still photo.

2 issues:

1. Angulation vs. Inclination
2. Line

Look at the photo below. Look at the green line in each. I'm not sure how old you are, but I for one know that it was pounded into my head to get my hip over my downhill ski, and keep my upper body facing down the fall line. (which is exactly what you are doing in that picture) That is the only way you could get the skis to grip. Modern skis hold much better than in the past, allowing you to let your feet get farther away from your body creating greater energy out of the ski. You are using a ton of hip angulation and also counter rotation. Neither are really very necessary anymore. Look at the angle of your shoulders compared to Herman's.

Also, you may be a bit tight on the gate. (especially if you start using less hip and more inclination) You need to be far enough away that you will be able to hold your angle throughout the whole turn. If you come in too tight, even if you start out on a good line, and pressure the ski early in the turn, if you are too close to the gate, you will need to let off your pressure momentarily, slip by the gate, then pressure again late which sends your energy across the hill rather than down. Look at the angle of your skis relative to the fall line compared to Herman's. Yours are pointing down the fall line, while Hermans are pointing at the next gate. This is going to cause you to pressure below the gate rather than above it.
Think about getting your skis on edge early in the turn, pressuring while they are in the fall line, and getting off your edges and into your transition as soon after the gate as is practical.


post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdk6
skiingman, yes I saw that the picktures were taken at the same gate but its a shame they are not taken from the exact same spot. Looks like you had much more speed.

I would love to see next weeks video. Keep us posted.

BTW, take a look at this girl for some serious GS action:
http://www.v1sports.com/academy/ussa/default.asp

2005 World Junior Championships, Italy. Women's GS - Holmner SWE- 1st Run winner

The link is from another therad of today. Cool.
Those videos at the v1 site are cool!

Next week I'm working on making a steadicam setup, and a tripod perhaps as well. We'll be getting some good GS on a steeper pitch if the stars line up correctly with the weather and such. I'll be sure to mark the sport, so to speak, where the camera should be. Its hard to get the exact same angle as we don't have a third person to photograph, but perhaps I can convince someone else to be the designated stander arounder.

UP Racer, I really like what you have to say. I'm going to take that all to heart next week. It will be interesting to see how pitch affects my skiing, even without attempting to make changes.

Regarding where my skis are headed, I would note that the photo was taken inside the rise line, while Maier's photo was taken outside of the rise line. I think my skis are actually headed more across the hill than they appear to be compared side by side with that photo, though I definitely agree with what you are saying re: being finished with turn and into transition just as I clear the gate. I strive for that, but am often not successful. The advice you've given should help with that.
post #12 of 20
I wish I had the skills and tecnique to add something to your skiing. Very impressive. In the earlier picture you're technique looks to me exactly like the Al Hobart Guerilla Turn that is illustrated in his video.
post #13 of 20
Many good comments here. Good skiing and I applaud your efforts to get better and your willingness to solicit comments. One minor comments regarding the gates. It has never made sense to me to train GS without panels. Single flex gates behave differently than a pair of gates joined with a panel. Believe me, it affects your skiing and timing. In fact, with setting two single poles, why are you even wasting time with drilling and screwing in the inside pole? I think this ties in with UP racers comments about being a little tight to the gate as well.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by Norefjell
One minor comments regarding the gates. It has never made sense to me to train GS without panels. Single flex gates behave differently than a pair of gates joined with a panel. Believe me, it affects your skiing and timing. In fact, with setting two single poles, why are you even wasting time with drilling and screwing in the inside pole? I think this ties in with UP racers comments about being a little tight to the gate as well.
Very true. The reason there were no panels on this particular day is simple. We didn't have any.

If you watch the longer video, there is a run where I actually crossblock the gates for fun. Definitely not good, and definitely makes a huge difference in timing/line.

The reason for installing the other pole anyways is pretty simple. I'm got awful sight (depth perception is more or less nonexistent) and at GS speeds I'd have a very hard time spotting a single pole well. I always use the inside pole as my rise line reference anyways, so I kind of need it.

I'm going to scrounge some panels up someplace for next week's session.

Cheers,
Garrett
post #15 of 20
I have to disagree that one or two poles makes no difference. Psychologically they do.
Using one pole only I would feel like turning around some accidental orientation poles while having the pair makes me feel I´m in a GS.
Unless there is a strong wind bending the poles with the panel into the racer´s path poles with the panel are definitely better.

If 2 poles + panel = 100% GS simulation/feeling, then 2 poles/no panel would equal 80% and just 1 pole/no panel not more than 50% - my perception and HO.

Having not seen the videos I prefer not to comment on the single frames for generally known reasons.
Maybe just this: I suspect that not knowing Raich is Raich and Bode is Bode in the picture quite a few people here would tear such a no-name racer apart.

Skiingman, though the turn - if on easy terrain - might seem exaggerated it´s very good skiing. I´m sure many would be proud to ski like this.
post #16 of 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
I have to disagree that one or two poles makes no difference. Psychologically they do.
Using one pole only I would feel like turning around some accidental orientation poles while having the pair makes me feel I´m in a GS.
Unless there is a strong wind bending the poles with the panel into the racer´s path poles with the panel are definitely better.
Wait, I'm confused....I agree with that. Definitely makes a big difference, we just didnt have any.
post #17 of 20
Skiingman: I believe he must have misread yours or my post. Way back in my early racing days, I felt the best training advice that I got was to make training as similar to race conditions as possible. Back in the days with rigid poles, ice and no drills, this was quite a challenge as the gates took quite a beating and all we had was a group of four or five to jointly maintain the training course. But quality training is so valuable. Quantity can be great as well, specially when it comes to free-skiing miles, and developing overall skiing skills.

I reread UP Racer's post and I really believe his comment about skiing too close to the gates to be very valid. One move to correct your ski line and another to adjust your upper body to clear the gate properly can really ruin a clean turn.
post #18 of 20

Not getting any love

Hey I'm Roman, the other guy in skiing mans post. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions about my skiing?
post #19 of 20
Tofastforyou as a user name and you need advice?
Once again, based on the still photo..... I really like what the lower body is doing, but once again, if you move off the gate just a bit, it will allow you to inclinate your body a bit more and also give you room to sqare up your shoulders a little more. You are using quite a bit of counter rotation, probably partly because you are so tight on the gate that you need to counter rotate just to be able to get your hands past the gate to clear it.

Definitely solid skiing by both of you, though.
post #20 of 20
Take a look at this comparison with regard to line. Think about the effect of pressuring the ski early in the turn.
The guy on the left is pressuring above the gate, and when he makes his transition, he will be able to make a move down the fall line.
Roman, with the line on that particular gate, the greatest amount of pressure will occur below the gate, you will be momentarily on a low line and will need to use your transition (and the energy built up in your ski) to move across the hill to get back on a high line.



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