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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I recall reading somewhere in some thread in Epic about the quickest improvement that somebody can do to a pair of ski boots was to replace the insole with an aftermarket sports insole.

I can't remember what brand or what type of insole to replace the insoles of my new boots with.

My boots are a pair of used 2003 Nordica Beasts that I just bought. I used them twice already and they seem to fit pretty good but I am still working out the kinks (buckle tightness, socks, etc). I am experiencing tingling and numbness sometimes on the top of my right instep. The tingling radiates from the instep to the tops of my middle toes. It almost feels like an electrical shock...

At any rate, going back to the original question, if anybody recalls the insole brand, could you please let me know?

Thanks!
post #2 of 21
I use Superfeet
post #3 of 21
Tingling on the top of your foot radiating to the toes sounds like compression of the superficial peroneal nerve. The point of compression may NOT necessarily be on the top of your foot- this nerve runs down to the foot from the front of your lower leg (just to the little-toe side of the midline) and the point of compression is likely to be at or just above the ankle. Try loosening the buckles on the cuff (top 2) and maybe the 3rd as well. A better footbed could also help, as it may hold your foot in neutral position better than the flimsy thing that comes with the boot, thus allowing you to loosen the buckles without feeling that you your foot is not seated in the boot properly.
post #4 of 21
I use custom fit orthonic...brand was Alpina at the time....I have had them for over 10 yrs in 4/5 pairs of different Tecnica TNTs...they were ultra high quality have not compressed much/ I expect them to last many more years.....I buckle my boots in the morning once and never touch em all day....together with a tech canting I have no excuses.....can't blame my feet...whoever told you it was the best is a wise skier....
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your responses.

I was thinking mostly about the trim-to-fit insoles that you can buy at your local sporting good mega store. Somebody mentioned that they switched the stock insoles for a pair of these and the benefits were immediate. I can't seem to find that specific thread or recall the brand name of the insoles. I just wanted to try the $14.00 route first.

Regarding the pain on my foot. It seems that in the last year I have been blessed with this 'sensation'. If I press the 'peak' or the point of my instep, an electric type pain will travel from the instep to the top of my toes. Most noticeable on the big toe. My recent skiing seems to have make this pain more noticeable. Now, after my ski trip and with my street shoes on, if I put my foot flat on the floor and just raise my toes, I feel a sharp electric pain on the top of my middle toes. Sort of like a funny bone/elbow feeling.

When I tightened the top buckle (not the toe buckle) of my boot, the boot felt a lot more comfortable. When the buckle was buckled one notch lower (looser), the pain was constant and almost unbearable.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by yuyax
Thank you for your responses.

I was thinking mostly about the trim-to-fit insoles that you can buy at your local sporting good mega store. Somebody mentioned that they switched the stock insoles for a pair of these and the benefits were immediate. I can't seem to find that specific thread or recall the brand name of the insoles. I just wanted to try the $14.00 route first.
Superfeet that WTFH listed are around $30. They trim-to-fit and are the best for me... use them in my inline skates. Found in sports stores and available in different models depending on your intended use.
post #7 of 21
Someone on EpicSki recommended Moszkito and I bought a pair over the Web for $30 plus shipping. I love them for my shoes but haven't yet tried them in my boots - but I plan to.
post #8 of 21
Thermoflex liners.
post #9 of 21
I used Superfeet off-the-shelf for years and they worked well, then I went to custom Superfeet footbeds and am even more pleased. I put my off-the-shelf ones in my hiking boots and they really improve my comfort.
post #10 of 21

superfeet

I put superfeet (green ones) in my x-wave 10's. They work good.
post #11 of 21
The important thing isn't the footbed, but how good is the person making them.

-T
post #12 of 21
I use these custom footbeds.

http://www.bootfitters.com/

Big difference in the response from the boot as the bed is stiffer/denser than the off the shelf stuff.

The Superfeet worked for my daughter when she was getting some shin bang. They're thicker than the cheap stock beds and got her foot up in the boot better.
post #13 of 21
I'm trying out some blue SuperFeet insoles in my daily wearin' shoes right now to (hopefully) alleviate some arch pain I get while running. If you do buy some SuperFeet keep in mind that the manufacturer recommends a ten day "honeymoon period" for your feet to get used to them. So, in other words: they're probably gonna hurt your feet for about a week or ten days.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
I picked up a pair of green Superfeet yesterday at REI with my 20% coupon. They are already cut and installed in my Beasts.

Wow! The boot feels a little tighter now. Less volume. I hope that they compress a little bit.

I also hope that the 10 day break in period is somewhat painless. Well, at the rate that I am skiing right now, 10 days might become 5 years... I will be skiing for the third time this year tomorrow (Whitetail, PA) and next weekend in Blue Knob PA.

Everyone, thanks for the tip!
post #15 of 21
I ski on full cork Superfeet, but can provide some info on the "trim-to-fit" options that are available since I did go through most of them.

Superfeet Winter Green (~$30) - Outlast temperature control covering, firm support so your arch better match well (almost fully posted), high volume (thick)

Shock Doctor Ultra2 LP (~$30) - Medium support, not very contoured (didn't seem to follow the organic form of most feet), low volume (thin)

Sidas Volcano (~$30) - Warm velvet covering, softer support (arch is allowed to collapse by design), nice contours, medium volume

Sidas Super Step-in+ Snow (~$60) - Comfy covering, medium support (arch can collapse, but firmer than the Volcano), great metatarsal support, semi-customizable by heating with a hair dryer, low volume

YourSole (~$40) - Customizable through heating in a toaster over, medium support (arch collapses, but not by design), low volume and medium volume available

Hope this helps.
post #16 of 21
What's the deal with "full cork"?
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
What's the deal with "full cork"?
"The deal"? Well for some people they work out real well. Many don't like how firm they are and they can be a bit cold (unless you're using Thermoflex liners!). The current thinking is that a proper footbed should actually allow your foot to pronate a bit (this isn't bad - it's natural) while holding it in a neutral position. Most of the newer systems (weighted [DFP] or semi-weighted [Instaprint] methods) use materials that create a more flexible footbed - unlike the full cork Superfeet. The unweighted Superfeet method seems to be harder to "screw up" so the footbed builder doesn't need to be quite as competent as the other systems (except for Surefoot's system which is almost fully computerized).

Also note that the Superfeet system does not address forefoot issues (by default). If you have metatarsal issues you may want to look at other options besides Superfeet.

Note that I'm not a professional bootfitter. Just a skier who has gone through quite a few footbed systems.
post #18 of 21
Pete Keetly uses DownUnder off-the-shelf footbeds in his boots. I put a pair in my Beasts and they really did help in the heel area.
post #19 of 21
Does custom footbed really work? I know with a standard footbed in the Tecnica Icon Alu and cranking my buckles down, my sole will be on fire for the first few runs (especially if I am doing deep carves). But after that, my toes would go numb and everything would feel like smooth sailing.
post #20 of 21
Wow. Toes go numb and then it is smooth sailing because you can't feel anything. Hope you're joking.

I use SOLE heatable footbeds that are very inexpensive but they work for me because my feet are usually problem free. On the other hand, my daughter needed the full custom fitting from Surefoot to get things working well.

If you have problems, see a good bootfitter. If you don't, you might get by with something more basic.

Be sure your boot alignment (stance) is correct also. That makes a difference too.
post #21 of 21
Toe doesn't go completely numb, but the fire on the sole from those multi-G carves disappears after a few runs. Either the sole went numb from the repeated exposure of extreme pain or blood cutoff makes its sensation dulled. Still could wiggle the toes so I don't think gangrene is setting in.

BTW, it is not from any hotspots on the sole of the feet, but just the whole sole. If I take it easy skiing, there is no burn.
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