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Pocket Rocket or foil

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I know that next year salomon is coming out with a ski to replace the pocket rocket called the gun. Also they're coming out with one called the foil which is a little more narrow underfoot. If anybody has skied these please tell me how they are in comparison to each other?
post #2 of 23
The gun is the Pocket Rocket with no change except paint. There will be a "lab" version of the gun which will be fatter and different in I believe a 188cm size only. I haven't skied the foil yet. The specs on the Foil's shape should speak for themselves. My understanding of their overall performance compared to the current 1080 and Pocket Rocket is that they are a bit stiffer and more demanding overall. Ben.
post #3 of 23
Hard to believe they will mess with the PR, which has been an incredibly popular ski. Are they going to drop this, or just add the gun to lineup?
post #4 of 23
The Gun is the same ski as the PR but with new graphics, as said above.

Re: Gun Lab, will this be a wood core beefy version of the PR? I know Salomon team skiiers had a wood core PR (Douglas, Pierre etc.)
post #5 of 23
The Gun lab will be a different ski from the Pocket Rocket and the '05 retail Gun. There is another post that has link to Salomon Japan where the dimensions and such for '05 Slab skis are posted for those without a catalog. The Gun lab will be fat and beefy but according to my friends at Salomon will be more versatile than the lab AK Rocket Swallowtail. On the topic of core materials it is interesting how many of Salomon's race and freeride athlete issue skis have non-wood cores and how well most of them ski. Ben.
post #6 of 23
will they ever make the 1080 with woodcore for retail? can u even get ur hands on a pair of woodcore 1080s?
post #7 of 23
Is the 1080 LAB woodcore?
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by epic
Is the 1080 LAB woodcore?
No, it's PU Power Foam in the Gun LAB, and CR LAB. Isocell complex in the Gun, Foil, and Thruster.
post #9 of 23
Interesting, I thought Candide, Simon Dumont etc. were skiing wood core 1080's in the pipe when they were boosting 25+ feet up in X-Gamers 2004 and 2005. How about CR Johnson, Mike Douglas, Kina Picket, Davenport, Jamie Pierre etc? Just curious, would be pretty intense if they were skiing that aggressively and big on retail skis.
post #10 of 23
I was under the impression that the pro models of Salomon skis were totally different construction and many of them had a wood core - is this incorrect?
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by gramboh
Interesting, I thought Candide, Simon Dumont etc. were skiing wood core 1080's in the pipe when they were boosting 25+ feet up in X-Gamers 2004 and 2005. How about CR Johnson, Mike Douglas, Kina Picket, Davenport, Jamie Pierre etc? Just curious, would be pretty intense if they were skiing that aggressively and big on retail skis.
The year that Candide Thovex won the X-Games superpipe (2 years ago) with his massive air time, he and CR were using prototype pipe skis (project name: Pipe Dragon?) that had wood cores and the then current 1080 topsheet. S-LAB reproduced the performance "characteristics" of those skis through their LAB PRO models albeit with different core material as a cost-saving measure. This was one of the reasons given by Candide as to why he was not completely happy with his Pro model. I heard that the real Dragon would have retailed over $1200 limiting its appeal to the target youth market.

Beyond that, I understand that Mike D. and Iannick B. are using retail product. Of course, they get like 10+ pairs per season...
post #12 of 23
Nobody has yet said a word about the Foil?

It kicks ass. I would gladly trade my PRs for some Foils on anything short of a deep day. However, much as I feel about the PR, I believe it is important not to buy it short.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Nobody has yet said a word about the Foil?

It kicks ass. I would gladly trade my PRs for some Foils on anything short of a deep day. However, much as I feel about the PR, I believe it is important not to buy it short.
DePierre did a lot of testing recently and absolutely hated the Foil. He did like the 1080 Gun LAB though... he posted this on newschoolers.com.
post #14 of 23
Just made an attempt to look through the forum at that site. My gawd. I remember now why I frequent epicski. Admittedly, my idea of a good ski has nothing to do with whether or not the tail is turned up, so my thoughts are quite biased.
post #15 of 23
I talked to a Salomon rep at Sugar Bowl, CA on Saturday. He says "the replacement for the PR is the 1080 gun. New graphics, and slightly stiffer." But, he did say "slightly" and I said so same ski -- he say yes. That was if for what it was worth.

He had a big fat ski against the wall of the tent that was not for the public to demo and he said that was a prototype. I think that was the new wood core Gun/PR or Foil or whatever it is. It was a big ski, close to 190 cm in my estimation.
post #16 of 23
I've skied on the regular 1080 Gun, and it seemed quite identical to my 02' PRs.
post #17 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billiam
He had a big fat ski against the wall of the tent that was not for the public to demo and he said that was a prototype. I think that was the new wood core Gun/PR or Foil or whatever it is. It was a big ski, close to 190 cm in my estimation.
If it was powder blue in colour, it was the Gun LAB (135/101/126 @ 188 cm). Still no wood - PU Power Foam. DePierre rode those and said they were the first Salomon ski he actually liked.
post #18 of 23

foils rock

my brother and i both get flow from salomon so when we were each offered a pair of the 2006 line, i went the foil as he went with the gun(the gun lab isn't available till october). I absolutely love the FOIL with all of my heart. after two fifty degree days i skied these on 2 feet of sierra cement and they were great. the wide shape on them absolutely ripped on top of the snow and when i skied down from the bowl into the park at alpine meadows they ripped through the park. i would be set if these were my only pair of skis. the tips and tails are super flexible for butters and such but under the foot they are rather beefy. I love these skis sooo much.

to clear up any confusion. the GUN is the EXACT same ski as the pocket rocket with the same graphic as the foil, just orange writing. it says gun in the same place as the foil says FOIL. they are rad but i'm gonna hold off on those and get the GUN LAB instead.

i hope this was helpful
post #19 of 23
Isnt the Gun Lab only available in one length (188)? I like the sounds of the Gun Lab, but I would need it in a short length (170).
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by johnpep
the GUN is the EXACT same ski as the pocket rocket with the same graphic as the foil, just orange writing.
Sorry but the PR used PU foam and the Gun is filled with an Isocell complex (hint: Rohacell - polymethacrylimide hard foam). It should be a little stiffer and hopefully a little more durable. Cap construction and dimensions are the same however.
post #21 of 23
they ski the exact same.....lame attempt by salomon to change a ski
post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 
so is it a good idea to buy Prs instyead of guns if i can save a significant amt. of money?
post #23 of 23
Yes. Absolutely
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