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post #31 of 57
I am actually considering picking up something fatter than the PR's for my quiver. When I skied thigh deep at MRG this year which I instantly realized that I actually desired something fatter. I ski out west now and again, but not enough to justify one board for it. I will ski em in the east Those apache chiefs everyone was talking about that were cheap might just be the ticket...

Alfonse
post #32 of 57
I figure I put about 100 days on my Karmas this year. Even with the 87mm waist, they are my go to ski at Stowe.
post #33 of 57

Eastern Twins Cheap

REI has a good price on Public Enemy 159's.

This looks to a good shape for the eastern spring slushies were in now..
$179 looks good..to bad they don't have a 169

http://www.rei.com/product/47808099.htm?
post #34 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotama
REI has a good price on Public Enemy 159's.

This looks to a good shape for the eastern spring slushies were in now..
$179 looks good..to bad they don't have a 169

http://www.rei.com/product/47808099.htm?
They had them in 169 at the end of last week. In fact, my son's getting a pair for his birthday in a few weeks.
post #35 of 57
Just a few observations from a very opinionated skier who has skied all over the country & been on both sides as a rec. & prof. skier:
1) i totally object to the "lazy" ref. about skiers who avoid planky skis
2) the vast majority of people (skiiings bread & butter customer) skid uncontrolably as they ski & really can not make use of sidecut nor keep up w/ their boards
3) it takes a ton of effort & ski to ski a 12 meter ski ever w/ a metron sized waist
4) most folks don't heli ski & have no need for a 100 mm ski
5) i've skied everywhere & eventually ya hit less than desireable snow

don't like/agree w/ my observations.... companies are pushing fat pigs b/c most will buy them for the image & swear by them b/c the fat waist & scant sidecut suits their poor skill base. I think the fat ski has a place in the quiver, but come'on does everyone need to be on a 90+ waisted ski?
post #36 of 57
iriponsnow - you really don't sound like you know what y ou are talkiung about when you say that these skis (fat twins) have no sidecut. The PR is somewhere around 15 meters.
post #37 of 57
Look who thinks he knows it now...

Well the PR is a 15 m ski in the smallest size. Being a twin & losing some running length to the tail the 165 cm ski is really more like a 155+ ski. Thats great, all the migits can enjoy the trees.

The PR in the adult size is a 21 meter ski (about what a FIS legal gs ski is). The PR does have more sidecut than most planks ~35 m, thats greater than what a Super G ski carries.... how many folks on the mtn do you see that can swing that stick?
post #38 of 57
I agree with iriponsnow, the vast majority of people who I have seen on the fatty twins skid all over the place. People talk about the new technology, but very few actually make use of it by carving turns. It's somewhat depressing how so few people understand how to make the new skis perform how they are meant to. Carving is just more fun than even the most skilled skidding, on hardpack anyway. I've tried up to an 85mm-waisted ski, and I can still make it carve, although the edge-hold wasn't the same (obviously) as my race skis. It really doesn't matter what you use, as long as you have fun, but I guess my point is that anything can carve on hard snow, even a 1080, with proper technique. The problem is that VERY few people use proper modern technique.
post #39 of 57
Try a 165 PR and see if you still think it is a midget ski. Come up to Stowe and go take some runs if you want to see what my "planks" can do. Just because you think you see people that don't carve on fat twins doesn't mean the ski can't do it. If I were to use that logic, I'd say that the 5 Star and the 9S Oversize are the worst carving skis on the mountain! Clearly, they are not!
post #40 of 57
LOL we just shreaded jay in Spring conditions. 4 of us had 90+ mm skis under foot and shredded the woods all day. Everyone carved them the way they were meant to be carved. If you can't bring them around perhaps its time to look in the mirror instead of criticizing other people Iriponsnow. I ski about 25 days a year and do pretty well, but Epic skis 100 days a year and is obviously an instructor. I would think he has several skis in his quiver and yet he skis the karma more than any, hmmm odd, why would he do that in the east.....

My pr's ski like butter. I am a 5'9" 175 pound man that skis with power and I ski the 175. I am sure the 165's would be a blast

Alfonse
post #41 of 57
better idea:
hey, i would love to take some runs with ya. i always find there is something more to learn or pick up. my point here is not you can not carve on fat skis, or course you can...but rather a fat ski does little to help the situation. just take some turns under the chair in the soft spring snow & review the track. a 14-17 m ski with a 70-80 waist will turn & carve v. cleanly. A larger radius ski & 90+ waist will have a very diff track & will facilitate more of a pivot (less skilled skier) or require some real forced ankle/knee cross over/under (advanced skier) to carve clean. Plus you get to a point where a short radi. turn just can't be done as well.
I just don't buy into the marketing that a seth pistol is needed to ski lift served stuff. As always this discussion would be advanced by some turns & then some beers. If not this season... lets shot for eastern ESA next year.
post #42 of 57
To add to the confusion, Salomon printed a 16 meter radius on the 185 PRs this year. They are a 21 meter ski as iRip mentions.

165 PRs aren't gonna cut it in the soft stuff. My fat ass frequently longs for more ski even on the 185 in the soft stuff. My last pair of really big pow boards were awesome, but I live on the East coast now and have nearly zero use for such a tool.

And uh, iRip....you can carve turns on fat skis. The last time I ran NASTAR I was on a pair of 185 Pocket Rockets and I got a 10 or 11 handicap, which I think is good enough to assume a clean turn.

If you wanna go slower, you gotta do the freeride slide, man. I love the freeride slide. Good short turns are not too much fun on fat skis, as well as skiing bumps. There are skis for every occasion, and I've on many occasions wanted and needed skis even bigger than my 185 PRs for lift served terrain, even in the East.
post #43 of 57
Irip I appreciate your candor. Certainly a beer would be good I may try to make it up to the stowe event next year. If nothing else to ski with some epicski folks. You list Mad as your main mountain and I am a passholder. You should come in the woods with us and I will show you the merits of fatty's. Just from experience in the woods there I know that it is more of a struggle on thin boards. The fact that I can due fun high speed GS turns on my PR's as well makes it so I don't really need anything else. To be fair though I am looking at augmenting my quiver with a slalom cut race ski. If it is really hard the fatty's are obviously not the best ski for the conditions.

Alfonse
post #44 of 57
Hi my name is Evan and I am from the Boston area.  I have read some threads and noticed that you have some great advice on topics that relate to my own.  If you could just give me your two cents that would be very much appreciated.  Thank You. 

My post is called East Coast All Mountain Twin Tip, or you can respond here.

This is my post
Hi I am in dire need of help.  I am a level 8 skier (still cant do moguls well tho) and am 5'9 160lbs.  I ski all east coast which usually means packed powder, groomers, trees and I do ski some park.  Mostly groomers and packed powder though.  I am still learning in the park but I also enjoy hitting any type of kicker on a regular trail.  I currently have some old line invaders that are 151cm.  WAY too short since I just had a major growth spurt from 5'4 to 5'9 over the past year and a half.  My new skis need to be durable because I am a teenager and deliver alot of damage to my skis.  Whether it be skiing over some rocks or roots or being thrown in the trunk of a car and hauled to the mountains, they need to be tough.  Some of the skis that I have had my eye on are
K2 PEs
Line Chronics
K2 Silencers
Salomon 1080s
Armada AR6s
Armada T-Halls
Armada El Reys

I am of course open to any other suggestions and please help me with this decision as i could use any advice or input out there.  Thank you.

Also my 151cm line invaders are for sale.  They are the ones with the black graphics.  The top plastic sheet has a few minor scratches and dings but nothing that affects performance.

THANK YOU!


also I have another post which I believe you could greatly help me with. 

what is the difference between these skis.

I am looking for an all mountain twin tip for the east coast.  Corduroy and groomers mostly with a small amount of time in the park but i mostly hit natural features around the mountain.  Also if you could compare any of these skis to PEs or any other suggestions

Thanks


once again Thank You.
post #45 of 57
K2 PE.  Best all-around twin tip IMHO.
post #46 of 57
Icelantic pilgrim- 90 underfoot, 179= 19m tr. great in bumps too.
post #47 of 57
Evan,

FWIW, I just went throught the same purchase decision.  I am 5'10", 167 lbs. and a level 7/8 skier who skis Vermont primarily.  Comparatively speaking, I am on the "old fart" side of the age scale at 47.  I was looking for something that would be good for the rare "east powder" days ... ankle deep crud, heavy stuff ... that would still be OK when the winds blew off new snow on the exposed trails and left the hardpack/icy patches exposed.  After looking at and researching a bunch of skis, I ended up purchasing the Icelantic Pilgrim.  I felt that these were more versatile for the varied conditions and were simply a better construction than others I was looking at.

Hope this helps.
post #48 of 57
My son is about your size and level.  He has the Rossi B2's which are a great all around ski.  We skied everything from ice to deeep powder and they worked fine.  His are 158's and he could probably go a bit longer but likes them on the short side.

oops, sorry they're not twin tips.  I like my Solomon 1080 Guns - for a wider ski - 101mm waist.  are surprisingly good in bumps and on hard pack but I mostly save them for powder and crud.
Edited by crank - 10/16/09 at 7:31am
post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post

Hey all,

I've seen an awful lot of 80-90mm waisted twin tips on sale in the local shops-anyone using these as an all-mountain ski in the east (or west-I get out 1-2 weeks a season)? I've looked closely at the Public Enemy, Karma, Head MT Mojo and Fischer Big Stix 8.0...haven't these in a demo anywhere around here (few eastern shops figure fatter skis are worth setting up as a demo) the have a point, i suppose.

Anyway-any thoughts on the twin tips?

I have Mojo 90s and PEs.  

Basically, the Mojos are the wider, stiffer, longer radiused chargers and the Pe's are the skinnier and lighter ski with softer flex and higher/earlier tip rise.  The PE also has a bigger sidecut.  IMHO, a killer combo.  I use the Mojos for when there's thin cover and in chopped up pow, it has the stiffness to blast through everything.  The PEs are awesome for really tight, bumped up trees bumps once you've got some base down and it gets a little icier.  The PEs are about the easiest to ski planks ever.  Uber playful and make you want to do fun shit all the time.  The Mojos make you want to go fast.  Very agile yet bomber, it's tough to explain but they just do everything rediculously well.  Great, great ski.  

If I had to pick one...  It would probably be the Mojo.  It's tougher and better for bombing on the days when the mountain shows you a little of everything.  That said- I don't have to choose, so my PEs are going NOWHERE!  I love them!        

Don't the fat ski jongs ever get tired of talking trash about stuff they don't know jack about?      

Quote: FATSKIJONG
Yeah, I've never tried them but I saw a guy with them on once and he looked funny.  He was a beginner but I bet if he was on skinny skis, he would have ripped.  They must totally suck.  I will tell everyone how I feel without any personal experience whatsoever.  After all, it's MY snap judgement based on stereotypes, it must be right.  I won't even listen to people who own them and ski them every day, I'm that friggin' smart.     


If you don't believe me, just ask Paul Jones.  I let him rip my Mojos for an afternoon last year and he was blown away at how little he felt the width moving from a 78 to a 90. 
post #50 of 57
Will be picking up a ski made out West...essentially for snowstorm days/day-afters..  Limited use yes, but when it dumps...there is no substitute.

$.01,
steve
post #51 of 57
thank you very much for all of your input and yes it helped alot.
post #52 of 57
I don't really hav any suggestions   but it depends on where u ski in the east and the quality of snow u get   also skill level would help
post #53 of 57

i use Salomon suspect 176 with a fks 140 85mm underfoot.  It's great if you're looking to get off the racetrack.  I'm usually looking for a fresh 1" + of snow to smear turns and slash.  I use my rossi s5 178 with a marker duke for deep ice coast days.  Both slay rails and bite into hard jumps.  Beveled 3 degrees on the bottom for jibbing and are rounded over nicely.  Love to be able to jump into the woods or pow on the sides.  I keep the head xrc 1200's  for periods of no snow and when the sides are all ice chunks. those are like 69 underfoot or something.  

Go for the 80-90 mill!  You'll make everyone else jealous when you're mobbin the stashes and they are shaving ice.

Unless you're racing, edges are overratted.  

post #54 of 57


 

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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

Just a few observations from a very opinionated skier who has skied all over the country & been on both sides as a rec. & prof. skier:
1) i totally object to the "lazy" ref. about skiers who avoid planky skis
2) the vast majority of people (skiiings bread & butter customer) skid uncontrolably as they ski & really can not make use of sidecut nor keep up w/ their boards
3) it takes a ton of effort & ski to ski a 12 meter ski ever w/ a metron sized waist
4) most folks don't heli ski & have no need for a 100 mm ski
5) i've skied everywhere & eventually ya hit less than desireable snow

don't like/agree w/ my observations.... companies are pushing fat pigs b/c most will buy them for the image & swear by them b/c the fat waist & scant sidecut suits their poor skill base. I think the fat ski has a place in the quiver, but come'on does everyone need to be on a 90+ waisted ski?


I now this old but man 5 years later but man were your wrong :).

 

Josh who skis 50 percent of the time on a 98 mm rockered(it 2005 whats that!) twin tip at an east coast resort.

post #55 of 57
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post

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Originally Posted by gramboh
Hehe @ 18-wheeler trying to get down staircase, funny analogy. Not sure why you'd go over 80 if you weren't skiing powder or jumping in the park.
Because some of us like to ski between these things called trees. The extra float is quite helpful.

Also, because wider skis suck less than narrower skis. You say "over 80" now, but five years ago, you would have said "over 70".

I'm not sure why anyone would ski on a ski under 70mm in waist width...

You are absolutely right. Five years ago I started the season out on a pair of Volkl AX3 724 (3rd season on them) that was 70mm underfoot and was considered a mid fat and bought a pair of Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous at 178 underfoot and was considered a skinny mid fat. Last year I bought a pair of Volkl AC30's at 80mm underfoot and it was considered a skinny mid fat. This year the same ski isconsidered a front side carver not even in the mid fat category.

I say it is crazy!

Rick G
post #56 of 57

Salomon Suspect no doubt.  Banging ski.  Wide enough to get down in the pow, pretty light and durable for rails and jumps.  Fks or like binder helps make the ski even better.  Bevel the base 3 degrees and round the edge over for rails.  Their a great all mountain east coast shredder.  The rossi s3/4 seemed too damn to really get down and butter.  Solomon makes awesome park skis. 

post #57 of 57

Love my 98 mm s5.  Makes me look cool.

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