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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by Norefjell
... However, when it comes to what style is going to work for 95% of ski racers it will have to be Raich's style more than Bode's. ...
Only 95%?? Maybe higher ...
post #32 of 53
There is nothing in the PSIA manuals that teaches "loading the tails", is there?
But it's taught and talked about in all of the instruction for SL and you could argue that it's part if the USSA curriculum for race instruction. Blocking techniques too?

Apples and oranges comparison PSIA versus USSA! One is geared to the recreational skier and the other on ...... simply how to get down the hill fast!

Sailer is undoubtedly fully aware ....... tongue in cheek and not truly critical comment.

Heck, you could even consider the equipment. Take your Level II on SG's that are 200 cm and see how you do in the bumps or short radius turns.
post #33 of 53
I think it's a pucker issue.
post #34 of 53
SECOND THOUGHTS?
"He is one of the real big ones," said Toni Sailer, the Austrian who won three golds at the 1956 Olympics. "In each decade you had one top skier." Sailer named Killy, Klammer, Girardelli, Tomba, Maier and Miller.

Not bad company!!! Bode, YOU DA MAN! Thank you for the exciting season ...even if OLN and other sports TV shows short changed the viewing public.
post #35 of 53
It reminds me of whiny Grag Lemonde: taking cheap shots at Lance: ....


let it go....move on....enjoy others accomplisments....show some class
post #36 of 53
The comment should be taken at face value. It is not a "shot" at Bode Miller. Some fans are sooo touchy!

Racing and recreational skiing have a lot in common, skill, ability, laws of physics, etc., but they have a lot of differences too. The best racer need not be the best coach or teacher.

In order to win at world-class competition, you have to push it right to the edge. At the edge you will find less than picture perfect form, recoveries, and barely in control skiing. The winner is the one who has the skill and strength to pull it together at the edge. The also-ran is the skier who didn't get close enough to the edge (or whose edge isn't out there far enough). The DNF is the skier who pushed it past the edge.

I think that if you base your form on how a skier skis when winning a world cup, you need to think a little bit more about it. You can learn a lot from watching world cup racers, but you need to realize what they are doing and why.

I have no idea how Bode skis when he's not pushing the envelope. Maybe he skis like a ski instructor too.
post #37 of 53
Isn't there a video of him and DR freeskiing in AK? Or is it just DR I forget.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Ghost
The comment should be taken at face value. It is not a "shot" at Bode Miller. Some fans are sooo touchy!
Well, this whole thread is a troll -- respectfully, I'm just amazed so many members took the bait, flying over the cliff edge of fake controversy like lemmings. Nothing too wrong with the well-planned troll, mind you, but let's at least get the thing properly labelled.
post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I have no idea how Bode skis when he's not pushing the envelope. Maybe he skis like a ski instructor too.
With all respect to all good ski instructors I can´t imagine Bode or any elite racer deliberately skiing like a ski instructor.
I know the Austrians taking the Staatlich geprufter Skilehrer-exam (there are not many of them, Eberharter taking it as a star was an exception) have to but doing so they are everything but comfortable.
I did a longer interview with Stephan a few days before he had his final exam. He even omitted the national team race camp and was not at ease you would expect from the then world´s skier Nr. 2 in a ski country like Austria. I may be wrong but I had the feeling he knew there could be some older examiners willing to show even an worldcupper of his calibre that he was no king in the ski teaching realm.

Btw, the old tension between ski teachers and ski racers is legendary and, at least I suppose, international. (ski teachers like golf carts...) It has many facets and is often just kidding.
We all know racing and teaching are too different to look the same.
post #40 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wbroun
Well, this whole thread is a troll -- respectfully, I'm just amazed so many members took the bait, flying over the cliff edge of fake controversy like lemmings. Nothing too wrong with the well-planned troll, mind you, but let's at least get the thing properly labelled.
well thanks for the "respectfully" yesterday it was ignorant...615, youda man, whoda troll? I gotta get me a new kayak!!! I haven't fished out no 600 yet...wasn't that yesterday afternoon??? : on a more serious note I had cracklin oat bran for breakfast before I went skiing today...what does wbroun eat for breakfast before he posts on every thread on epicski...???? (instead of going skiing??) BTW Sailer said it, I didn't and Mahre was quoted throwing down on Bode today too.....so stop posting and start reading...
post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
BTW Sailer said it, I didn't and Mahre was quoted throwing down on Bode today too.....so stop posting and start reading...
Sorry, but that's not quite the truth, IMHO. Your first post not only took both quotes out of context -- Sailer's was strictly part of a discussion of Bode's "gumby" style - but later posts poured gasoline : on the fire by inferring critical commentary in Sailer's remark that's just not there:

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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
let's see - the greatest skier on the planet( at least in the eyes of most people on the planet who care and fair and square via FIS) couldn't pass a Level III exam...( or probably a Level II exam) and skis with a "gumby" style - and could care less about ATS, the centerline or any of that stuff.....apparent facts that Sailer tries to make relevant....yep Eric Clapton, couldn't get into Berklee School of Music either....he can play tho..just a bit.
As I read the article, Sailer isn't "trying" to do anything but agree that Bode's style is heterodox. If by merely agreeing to that idea, Sailer warrants being portrayed as an old guard fuddy duddy somehow attacking Bode in your book, I have a suggested title for that book: "2+2=5, White Is Black, And Other Truths."

Having said all that, I'm not exactly well-positioned to be talking about pulling quotes out of context or trolling. I don't consciously troll -- sometimes I just can't seem to help myself. I don't kayak, BTW. Can't stand 'em. Get me a berth on the QE2, thank you.
post #42 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wbroun

Having said all that, I'm not exactly well-positioned to be talking about pulling quotes out of context or trolling. I don't consciously troll -- sometimes I just can't seem to help myself. I don't kayak, BTW. Can't stand 'em. Get me a berth on the QE2, thank you.
LOL!!!!!! I don't kayak either, just funnin wit cha...thanks for chiming in! You are a true wordsmith.....nuthin wrong with that, it's all good fun! Keep posting, I'll keep reading....and I hear the sking is still good at Mt Southington, Mohawk, Powder Ridge etc, so take a break from the keyboard and get out there willya??
post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by L7
That's quite a bit different. Check Johnson's results after he broke that one pair of skis that got him his wins on flat long courses with soft wet snow.
Bill Johnson won at Wengen, Dude! Of course I could do it on THOSE skis, but it's not flat.

broun and hrstrat, get a room or if you prefer cybersex, PM!
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I have no idea how Bode skis when he's not pushing the envelope. Maybe he skis like a ski instructor too.

I haven't skied with Bode, but I've skied with Daron, and can say it was an absolute honor to watch him freeski. I was shooting pics of him careening down what most anyone would consider unskiable rock shots as he would go from one ski to the other to lift them over the rocks. In what appeared to be a bizarre off-centered back seat stance, he effortlessly danced through numerous cruxes. On the groomed his form and force really shined.

His most memorable piece of advice - 'Ski from your core.'

Daron had just won the two back to back downhills in Norway when we skied. We clicked at a great level because we had both been reading Caroline Myess' Anatomy of the Spirit. He felt like the awakening he experienced from that book greatly contributed to a breakthrough in his skiing, as this was a breakout time for him. And conscious awareness has so much to do with sport at that level. Being so in tune with oneself can lead one to becoming what appears unconventional to others, yet instinctual to the athlete.
post #45 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by telerod15

broun and hrstrat, get a room or if you prefer cybersex, PM!
That's fair enough, my bad behavior is acknowledged - it won't happen again...this ain't no chat room...
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by telerod15
... broun and hrstrat, get a room or if you prefer cybersex, PM!
Tele, that would be impractical -- I'm already too busy fending off all your salacious hourly PM's. Don't worry, I won't tell ...
post #47 of 53
HAHA, you guys are alright! I shouldn't talk, I've gotten into similar "dicussions" here. (broun, yeah, you won't tell. Right. Why don't you at least answer my PMs anymore?)
post #48 of 53
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by telerod15
HAHA, you guys are alright! I shouldn't talk, I've gotten into similar "dicussions" here. (broun, yeah, you won't tell. Right. Why don't you at least answer my PMs anymore?)
since broun won't tell me his breakfast menu for all that energy expended typing a response to every post on epicski, what I really wanna know is what do tele guys eat for breakfast??...so's they got the energy for those bizarre turns??
post #49 of 53
Well the comment from Mahre made sense, but Sailer I can't understand. I still think a lot of this is not sour grapes, but rather relates to the lack of discipline in Bode's style and routine. Given that he is as unconventional as he is, he has to be massively talented to have won, and nobody can take that away from him.
post #50 of 53
Salier is clearly taking a swipe at the whole downhill-industrial complex.
post #51 of 53
There is a long standing "inside" joke regarding racers becoming instructors. This is not the first time it's been said!
post #52 of 53
Why should Miller *care* about having the skill set required to pass cert? It's not the skill set he needs to succeed in his line of work *at all*. He's concentrated on what he needs to know...not what he doesn't. Sheesh.
post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by mikebike
It reminds me of whiny Grag Lemonde: taking cheap shots at Lance: ....


let it go....move on....enjoy others accomplisments....show some class

And lose some weight.
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