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post #31 of 39
Jeff, GF is right on the money. You need more arch support and some alignment/posting to fix the pains you experience while skiing. Your feet are flattening and as a result, (1) they are cramping at the arch and instep; (2) are "splaying" and therefore getting wider at the forefoot; and (3) your ankles are rolling inward causing the medial malleolar pain.

You need custom footbeds made by an experienced fitter. AC compiled a list of top boot fitters for this website. Go to the Home Page and there's a link to the list. You should be able to find one within a few hours' drive (down in NYC or up in VT) -- and believe me, it's worth it to go to someone who knows the real stuff.
post #32 of 39
Thanks GF and Gonzostrike: You guys are probably correct. When I went to get my boots the fitter checked over my feet and noticed alot of pronation and soft tissue flattening when standing. He got rid of the stock footbeds right away and installed the Down Under bed to help with that. At that time I did not want to purchase custom footbeds and was going to wait and see how things went on snow. That may be one of my next steps now. One thing about this boot is that the middle buckle assy. is floating and mounted independently of the upper cuff and lower than your typical boot. It pulls almost directly across your ankle really holding down your heel (like th Dolomite Sentesi 5th buckle) but does pull right across that ankle bone on the inside. I know this can work though because my right one does not bother me at all.

Question about custom footbeds. Even with custom beds how can you be sure that your foot is correctly positioned and supported in the boot, not just supported but in a non ideal stance???
Does anyone have feedback on the InstaPrint custom footbed system that is sold through ABB shops (Americas Best Bootfitters)and Masterfit University? This is what my bootfitter uses but I'm wide open to suggestions from others.

Jeff J.
post #33 of 39
Jeff, I believe there are two theories now in practice regarding foot/ankle alignment. I may be mistaken about some of the details on the distinctions or the names, but here's how I understand things...

One theory ("unweighted") is to neutralize the alignment to make the foot/ankle completely free of pronation or supination. In practice, the skier often finds more difficulty with this theory because it puts him/her in an entirely new position, requiring his/her muscles to learn a new "neutral" position. For a few hours or even a few ski days, the cramping caused by the body's adjustment can be as severe as, or worse than, the cramping caused by the unsupported foot. Once you adjust, though, the benefits are large.

The other theory ("weight-bearing") is simply to stabilize the skier's foot/ankle. Instead of perfecting a neutral position, the skier's natural position is supported, with some moderate re-alignment of severe cases. There is no real adjustment period with its attendant cramping. Instead, you simply feel the ski edge when you roll your knee/ankle inward, instead of FIRST collapsing the foot through pronation and THEN edging the ski.

The basics are explained more simply, and with graphics, in the following books --

How the Racers Ski, by Warren Witherell
The Athletic Skier, by Warren Witherell
Anyone Can Be an Expert Skier, by Harald Harb

Good luck. The "Down Under" footbed is a mild improvement over stock footbeds, but in severe pronation cases, it simply cannot do the job. Find a qualified fitter and get some custom footbeds!
post #34 of 39
Hi Jeff,
Yeah...any excess fat will spread out with any degree of supination. Make that WELL known to a bootfitter...to overemphasize the design in that/those place(s)...he/you can always grind the bed down in places should it come out too aggressively built in there!..just like fitting a boot...*easier to grind than to fill in*.
Beats me what brand is the best...(lots of help there [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #35 of 39
Lisamarie what if anything have you done about your boot problems, havn't heard much from you about it.

just curious
Jeff J.
post #36 of 39
Jeff, lots of places make footbeds, but only a few know how to achieve a sub-talar neutral foot position. My advice would be to go to an expert... Surefoot, Green Mountain Orthodics are two. Podiatrists and Orthopeadists are also people who can do it properly. It's complicated, and an amatuer won't know they're doing it wrong. Bad orthodics are better than nothing, because they cradle your feet and match your anatomy. But, if the foot is not in a nuetral position, you can end up doing permanent damage to your plantar, talar, and distal gastroc tendons. You would have pain walking... forever. Take our advice, seek a knowledgable professional for footbeds. They won't really cost anymore than it does for a high end bed in a ski shop.

post #37 of 39
Hey Mike noticed you were having some pains with the Rossi's. I have the same deal. Brand new Rossi Race One's and two day's in really painfull. Heel's mostly. I think it is important to break the boot in a bit before going through the footbed process. that way you know where your feeling the pain, you've skied the boot for a couple of weeks, and you know where you need the added support and adjustments. Just my two cents for what its worth.
post #38 of 39
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UPDATE: Between the time I got back from Sunday River, and the time I went to Okemo, I put the boots on every night and practiced flexing and edging moves on 2 dyna disks.
At Okemo, the instructors gave me some tips about using my feet properly, which was helpful.

For the most part, the pain is gone. All I notice is towards the end of the day, my right pinky toe is bothering me, but I can live with that. One teacher had an interesting theory. My right leg is the one that got broken in a car accident. As a child, I used to sprain my right ankle a good deal.
Ironically, my right leg is the stronger one, but there is less balance and proprioception in the right ankle. There is a possibility that I am overcompensating for this by using too much strength, and sort of jerking the foot around.

Something to think about.

BTW, another woman in our group was wearing the x waves, and having a hard time with them on her first day. Maybe they take a longer time to get used to.
post #39 of 39

Sounds like the boot thing has worked itself out just fine!

Glad to here it, sore feet are no fun!

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