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Sunapee Demo Reviews Round 2

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Andrew? Care to take round #3?

Seeing as though Scalce already has his up, i ought to write a few notes.

My Stats:
Height:5'11ish
Weight:160ish
Eyes: Blue
Ability: 7-8
Current Skis: 172 Dynastar Legend 8000, 178 Dynastar Skicross 66

Conditions:Mainly Groomed, with some loose granular and windblown hardpack. You can see Scalce's for the real details.

I've been looking for a short turning, hard snow gripping, slalom ski to add to the quiver. Because Sunapee is relatively mellow, I made mostly high speed medium turns on the slaloms review today.

Make: Atomic
Model: ST11
Length:150

First ski of the day so I went with something I knew would be less demanding. unforunately the only length the rep had was 150.

According to the rep, this is similiar to the SL9, but a little stiffer. It has more shape then the SL 11, so its more like the 9 in that respect. This ski made easy RR turns at lower speeds and was great to warm up on. The softness/ short length shown through with this skis willingness to just go along with what you tell it to do. I'd describe it as a "follower" who didn't have much input but would gladly listen. Probably a great ski for upper intermediates looking to get a slalom like ski. Not too much rebound, but a great turn radius. I'd like to try it in a longer length for a better review.

Make:Elan
Model: SLX Race
Length:155

Holy Good friggen lord.

This was almost my favorite ski, so I skied it twice and finally found a fault later in the day. this ski does not skid a turn. In fact, it gets in arguments with you when you try. Trust me, it'll buck you off if you don't play by his rules. (Scalce and his wife can verify this, the not-skiddingness got me in the back seat on a narrow trail under the lift(about a groomer width of groomed snow)... after going down "gracefully" I looked up and saw both of them staring back over their shoulder at me)

In every other situation I loved them. This ski has a very stiff tail and alot of energy when you push them. I thought they were pretty tame carving at lower speeds and definately amplified any extra energy you put into them. I had alot more confidence laying them over compared to the Atomics (and most other skis). They had excellent manners at speed and could leave trenches in the hill.

Make:Rossignol
Model: 9S oversized
Length:165

This was another well mannered ski at speed when you stayed centered. I'd say it was a blend of the ST11 and the SLX. They were definately more laid back and long for the ride until you pushed them real hard where they finally gave back that energy. At one point I got further forward then normal and loaded the shovel... they can back under me so quick my leg twisted in my boot and the phrase "spiral fracture" came to mind. I think the shovel might be a touch soft... which supports easy initiation of turns and a "follower" attitude.

Make: Dynastar
Model: Contact 10 ti
Length: 165

I was looking for an omecarve 10, or something similiar. The Dynastar rep said this was the same shape at the omecarve with the skicross 10 make up, so it was better. "better is always better" was my reply

I'd say that this would be a fairly versitle all around ski. More of a medium turner then a short-turn sling shot, but usefull all over the mountain. The tail is fairly stiff and maybe the binding mount is more centered because I could feel the leverage if I got back. I almost felt a disconnect between the cap front 1/3 and the vertical side wall back 2/3. The tips flapped a bit at speed on hard snow but the tails held rock solid. This ski is not a "trench digger" but did have a good variety of turn shapes.

A side note. I asked the Rep what he honestly thought of the new Look bindings... he kinda hesitated and said "well, they don't twist side to side... they're pretty solid". This wasn't very convincing to me but the only gripe I had is that the heel piece sticks up fairly vertical and is an odd angle to release with you pole.

Make: Atomic
Model: SL 11M
Length: 155

I choose the 155, because i had skied the 11.12's in 157 and liked them. By this time of the day the snow was getting softer from the sun and I feel like I should have tried the 165s. That being said, this ski didn't like the softer snow. I definately feel like i was over powering the surface and the skis had nothing to arc against. When i did have them on steeper harder snow it was obvious that they prefered to stay in the fall line and didn't feel like pulling solidly across the hill ( probably dimension related, the tip is only 106 or so) I'd say these had the toughest sweet spot to find (length related) but when you did they were very playful. They have great snap at the end of the turn and I felt myself catching air off little rollers and just having a blast. I kinda forgot i was "skiing" and was just playing on the hill

Make: Fischer
Model: World Cup SC
Length: 160

Move over Elan SLX, Hellllooooooooo World Cup SC. As I left the lift and did some Rail Road turns, I thought... yeah, I guess these are pretty decent at slower speeds... they initiate well, must be those wide tips. Once you pick the speed up everything seemed to melt away. They skied very well from a balanced position, just tip and rip. Very smooth on the snow with no chatter or excessive snow-feel. These pulled very well across the hill and were right with me when I wanted to lay them over.

These were my favorites of the day, they were a little less energetic then the Elan SLX's but the turn shapes were more variable and they were able to skid when needed. Scalce's wife ( I need to know her Epic name) summed it up best with something like "these skis make you a better skier" yeah, so i butchered that but she put the thought in my head.

Make: Elan
Model Magfire 10
Length: 168

A metron you can actually bend was what he said. I wasn't really feeling it to be honest. But then again, I'm not a metron kinda guy. The B5's were better for sure, but at least these were lighter. I got down the hill on them okay but I wasnt thrilled by anything. In fact, I kept weighting my uphill foot to much and my down hill ski would wash out. Either i sucked those runs or this ski and i weren't communicating well.

Make: Volkl
Model: Racetiger
Length:160

A little softer under foot for better turnshape without losing to much to the P60 is how the rep billed it. I thought these handled great at slower speeds and i thought to myself. "If i wanted a slalom ski to teach on and then free-ski, this would be it" The rep agreed (dont they always?) saying that they took out some rods and it was a little bit softer then before. I was getting tired (my last ski) and I didn't ski them really hard, although i skied them fairly fast. They were smooth but I wasnt wowed with energy. A few times i noted busting through the softer snow.

So guys and gals, thats the news for now. Most all of these skis will accomplish what I'm looking for. Skis are so good now they're mostly shades of gray.
post #2 of 19
Good reviews. I'll have to go back and read Round 1.
post #3 of 19
Great reviews! Are you going to buy the Fischer? Do you know how it differs from the Rx8?
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by nhskier
Great reviews! Are you going to buy the Fischer? Do you know how it differs from the Rx8?
I wish I got a chance to demo the RX8 as I have never skied on it.
post #5 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scalce
I wish I got a chance to demo the RX8 as I have never skied on it.
They didn't have it at the demo day?
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by nhskier
They didn't have it at the demo day?
They did but the length I wanted was always out and I wanted to try some other manufactures such as Elan and Nordica.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 

WC SC-160 v. RX8-165

I have demo'd the RX8 ina 165 earlier in the year. It'd say that you can tell the 2 skis are from the same family. The WC SC is a bit snappier and quicker to initiate turns. The snowfeel on the RX8 was dulled compared to the WC SC...if i remember correctly. While I feel the World Cup SC behaved well at slower speeds, the RX8 is probably the more versitle all mountain ski. I can see them being a bit better in softer/varied snow. It was still colder/harder snow when I had the WC SC out but I can imagine them pushing through like the SL 11ms and RaceTigers were.

I'm probably going to look for deals on the WC SC over the summer. I wish I knew for sure if the 2006 model I skied is different from the current version(graphics certainly were), I don't think it is. I don't really have the money for it now. If I was going to pay decent money, the WC SC is the one I'd go with. I would like to try a direct comp between a 160 and a 165, but either ski ought to be great.
post #8 of 19
"Skis are so good now they're mostly shades of gray."--RJP

I want to preface all of my remarks with RJP's comment because I think it hit the nail on the head for me.

Height: 5'10"
weight: 150lb
years skiing: 20
avg days/year: 10
level: 7 (would call myself 8 on hardpack, groomed, but downgrading myself as I'm more tentative than I'd like in variable conditions, trees, steep bumps)
current ski: Dynastar Omecarve 9 165cm

As a lighter skier I have a strong preference for lighter, more 'lively' skis that heavier skiers may find to be less stable

Conditions were well described by Scalce and RJP. Scalce pointed out some nice tree skiing--4" fresh in the trees as well as bumps filled in with new snow that were fun once the rock-hard bumps softened up a bit in the sun. Goosebumps was an interesting progression of rock-hard glaze to glaze mixed in with 4-6" of fresh snowdrift to hard corduroy.

I initially came hoping to try out Eastern midfats (75-85mm) to complement my Omecarves but conditions were not ideal for this so I ended up trying a mix of skis. In order:

Rossi B2 174cm
Easy to ski though I didn't feel that they were all that easier to ski in fresh snow than my Omecarves (probably as the B2's waist is not that wide?). More damp than the Dynastar Legend 8000s and not quite as much fun for me though I enjoyed them.

Dynastar Legend 8000 172cm
my pick for an Eastern all-mountain ski. Lively and definitely elevated my skiing in the trees and tracked-out powder/crud. Surprisingly good in the bumps for a 79mm waisted ski but the short length helped. Easy to get on edge on hardpack. I didn't want to give them back.

Head iXRC 1200 SW 170cm
the only GS carver that I tried yesterday. I was surprised given Head's reputation for damp, powerful, beefy skis that I had little trouble getting it to bend at slower speeds as well as at higher speeds. Damp but not overly so and quite agile. Able to ski any turn shape I wanted. Definitely would recommend in its category

Atomic Metron M:11 162cm
Came away a little underwhelmed by this ski though I certainly found it easy to ski and versatile as far as speed and turn size went. I guess I just prefer livelier skis; the Metron felt smooth and powerful but excessively damp to me. Didn't feel noticeably heavy underfoot or on the chairlift though perhaps next year's Neox bindings made a difference in terms of weight?

Fischer RX8 160cm
Really liked this ski. Felt a lot like my Omecarves but smoother and a damper--but not in an unpleasant way. Lots of feedback from the snow and was at home all over the mountain. Against my Omecarves I'd have to give the edge to the RX8--but not by a lot (certainly not so much that I felt any buyer's remorse back on my skis).

Overall felt that I wouldn't regret owning any of these skis. They were all easy to turn and gripped well on hardpack which is where I spend 2/3-3/4 of my time. I came away feeling that when it comes time for me to buy another pair of skis that dimensions (width underfoot and turning radius), length, and price are going to be more important factors than brand itself. Though there were definite differences in how the skis 'felt' I thought that I was able to adapt to them and enjoy them all.

At the end of the day returned to my Omecarves for several runs and enjoyed them thoroughly without any regrets. If I were in the market for another pair of skis would probably pick the Legends for Eastern powder days or possibly something truly fat but did not get to try any today.
post #9 of 19
Andrew, some more nice reviews. Too bad Bears don't get together more often for demo days! I wish I could have been there.

Of course, I agree completely about the Legend 8000s, owning them in 165cm. I'll have them out tomorrow somewhere in some fresh eastern pow.
post #10 of 19
I think my issue with not loving the 8000s has to do with my skiing style, what skis I currently own, and the conditions.

I bet if I was skiing soft bumps all day I would like them much better.

I am somewhat annoyed that they did not have them there in a 165 and the rep kept insisting that I try the 178s.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I think my issue with not loving the 8000s has to do with my skiing style, what skis I currently own, and the conditions.

I bet if I was skiing soft bumps all day I would like them much better.

I am somewhat annoyed that they did not have them there in a 165 and the rep kept insisting that I try the 178s.
IMO, 178 is kinda long for that ski. I would have been annoyed too. At times, the 165 feels a little too short, however. Of course, your comment about the conditions is right on. They are a great ski if there is some fresh snow on the slopes, but if it's icy and nothing but hardpack, a good carver is MUCH more fun. That's not to say that they don't perform well on hardpack for a mid-fat.

Tomorrow, it looks like I'm headed to Sunapee (hopefully winds won't be bad) to ski my legends in whatever freshies fall tonight. For the expected conditions tomorrow, the legend is the perfect ski for me.

BTW, did the 8000s at the demo day have the new graphics like the pair you picked up earlier this season?
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by nhskier
BTW, did the 8000s at the demo day have the new graphics like the pair you picked up earlier this season?
Yes I did.

I still have 2 of last years in a 165 and next years in a 178 that I need to dump or return.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I still have 2 of last years in a 165 and next years in a 178 that I need to dump or return.
Thought you sold those on ebay.
post #14 of 19
I sold the other two on Ebay.

I picked up a few more last weekend at Sports Authority.
post #15 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scalce
I sold the other two on Ebay.

I picked up a few more last weekend at Sports Authority.
How much for the 165s? I'm assuming no bindings.
post #16 of 19
PM me if you are interested in them.

Yes no bindings.
post #17 of 19
"Scalce's wife ( I need to know her Epic name) summed it up best with something like "these skis make you a better skier" yeah, so i butchered that but she put the thought in my head."

For the life of me, I can't remember what I said I liked the Fischer's a lot too. I thought they turned quick and fast with the ski helping you along. I also didn't feel that if I got lazy for a minute that the ski would toss me like the SLX tried to do

It was great to meet both you and Andrew. Hopefully, we can catch up again sometime.

Christina
post #18 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scalce
I think my issue with not loving the 8000s has to do with my skiing style, what skis I currently own, and the conditions.

I bet if I was skiing soft bumps all day I would like them much better.

I am somewhat annoyed that they did not have them there in a 165 and the rep kept insisting that I try the 178s.

He told Hairybones the same thing on Saturday at Okemo. I couldn't believe the Rep was saying that. I even like the 8000 in 165cm and I'm 190lbs 5'11". The Rep said he skied it in 178cm, he seemed kind of small to me. Oh well everybody's different.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
The rep was defintaly a "long turning speeddemon" in my mind. He said the Contact "wasn't his turn shape" and that he normally skied the Course (a gs ski) in 180. To each their own, i suppose it never hurts to demo different length...
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