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Tecnica Diablo Fire...Issues??

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I bought a pair of Tecnica Diablo Fire boots for this season after skiing on two pairs on Tecnica Icons for the past five years or so. Those Icons fit and performed perfectly.

I am an expert skier and expect performance from top-of-the-line ski gear.

I do not have a wide foot and am surprised with the fit from these boots. They leave me with a very sore and painful foot (on the outside of the foot, at the spot in which the foot is the widest, near the toes). In fact, after skiing, I am in so much pain that it is difficult to walk and even put my feet in shoes.

I have brought the boots back to the shop three times now to have them "stretched," although the results are not there. I was told by the shop that when they spoke with Tecnica, his shop is the only one complaining (yeah, right). Today, the shopowner said he was on a conference call and asked the other ski shops if they were having problems, he said four shops affirmed that they were having problems, including the Boot Doctors.

My question is: Has anyone had a similar problem and been satisfied by Tecnica? Please let me know...
post #2 of 23
Why can't they just grind down part of the boot where it is not wide enough? It's always easier to make a boot larger than it is smaller.
post #3 of 23
i was a bit sore my first day, but it went away. I think that Tecnica has been getting a rap for being wide in the toe area, but your post seems to confirm my thoughts "the boot is V shaped, but I wouldn't call it wide"
post #4 of 23
I went from a early 90`s Tecnica TC3 to a 1 size small shell Diablo Flame. Snug but packing out. So far no probs. I can ski all day in these boots when at work my feet sometimes just kill me.
My experience.
There are others issues talked about. Do search.
post #5 of 23
I went through trying on about 8 boots before trying on the Tecnica Diablo Fires with the Ultrafit liner, and personally found them to be the best fitting boot that I ran across. I do keep them pretty tightly cranked up for skiing, and usually start loosening the buckles while riding the lift from time to time (this seems to cut down on some of the fatigue that I can feel from time to time). I've had them on my feet for close to 8 hours straight though, and have not had any serious problems.

-Craig
post #6 of 23
I needed to have the forefoot area on my Diablos stretched. They were recommended along with the Xwave9 for a high-volume wide forefoot characteristics.

My first few days, pre-stretching, were extremely painful. Couldn't walk in them and had to sit down every few runs... In any case, after the stretching the boots felt better, but still painful. Pretty miserable vacation. I've been tweaking the fit ever since (early December)... wearing them each night and finding time to hit the local hill... but they are finally coming around, after packing out a bit.

I found the boot had much more forward lean than my previous Salomons. Walking a lot without the buckles fastened pushed my foot too far forward. Now, I walk from the parking lot with the buckles fastened to keep my foot in place. Snug the boot around the ankle, and maker sure your orthotic is positioned correctly in the liner. Also read up on the Dual Pivot, and re-aligned the cuff along with the flex axis. My instep buckle fastens on the first hook with barely any pressure, and the micro-adjust maxed out. Also utilize very little pressure to fasten the toe buckle.

In any case, I'm very happy with the boot overall. Which is probably why I decided to stick with them and tweaking further. The forward lean is still a little much, but much better lately. Haven't removed the rear spoiler which should help, but I suspect it may also have something to do with the lack of strength in the quads... again, lately quads haven't suffered as much.

Good luck...
Ken
post #7 of 23
The only complaint I have with the Diablo Fires is that after the 40th day of skiing they packed out so much that I had to install Bontex insole shims. I had dropped down a full size from my Icons.Yesterday,my 88th day skiing this year they fit great with the installation of th shims. It also is the warmest boot I have ever owned. Hope you can solve your problem...

Skiing is a lot like sex.. You don't have to be good to enjoy it...
post #8 of 23
So, Mike, you bought a pair of boots that don't fit properly, and you believe it's the manufacturers fault? (That's what you get for buying foreign product. Those damn Europeans don't know how to make anything, they have no quality control, and the companies are owned by people more interested in profit than product)

Did you try them on for long before you bought them?

I have learnt from experience that within brands it is not enough to assume that because one boot fitted, that another one will too.
post #9 of 23
Do you have a foot bed? Start with a quality custom foot bed that gets you to neutral and call me in the morning. Seriously, if you do not have a custom foot bed and not knowing your foot type it is hard to give anyone advise over the Internet. A custom foot bed plus stretching of the boot can help just about everyone. Of course, you did pull the liners and stand in just the shell and have a boot fitter check the fit before you bought them.

You could he pronating that is exacerbated by the ramp angle of the boot. Causing your foot roll to the outside. Please check the upper cuff it may be aligned differently than your old techs.

ed
post #10 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
So, Mike, you bought a pair of boots that don't fit properly, and you believe it's the manufacturers fault? (That's what you get for buying foreign product. Those damn Europeans don't know how to make anything, they have no quality control, and the companies are owned by people more interested in profit than product)

Did you try them on for long before you bought them?

I have learnt from experience that within brands it is not enough to assume that because one boot fitted, that another one will too.
Excellent call.
post #11 of 23
I have been in the boots all season and think it is one of the best boots I have owned (I go through a pair of boots about every two years). Like they say "if the boot don't fit don't ware it!" (or get it fixed)
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

Update/Answers

Good point on trying them on. Indeed I did and was assured by the shop that they were the same mold as the Icons.

As far as Europeans...I agree, however, when given a choice between the socialists in Europe and the communists in China, I hesitantly side with the Chinese.
post #13 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulmike219
Good point on trying them on. Indeed I did and was assured by the shop that they were the same mold as the Icons.

As far as Europeans...I agree, however, when given a choice between the socialists in Europe and the communists in China, I hesitantly side with the Chinese.
Mike, I'd strongly recommend you try a new shop who knows a bit about Tecnica boot molds.

As for your comment on Euros, that's the funniest thing I ever read - you did mean it as a joke, didn't you?
post #14 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
So, Mike, you bought a pair of boots that don't fit properly, and you believe it's the manufacturers fault? (That's what you get for buying foreign product. Those damn Europeans don't know how to make anything, they have no quality control, and the companies are owned by people more interested in profit than product)

Did you try them on for long before you bought them?

I have learnt from experience that within brands it is not enough to assume that because one boot fitted, that another one will too.
Egggs actly.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulmike
As far as Europeans...I agree, however, when given a choice between the socialists in Europe and the communists in China, I hesitantly side with the Chinese.
I'm not sure whether I should laugh, or shake my head in disbelief.
post #15 of 23
Quote:
Indeed I did and was assured by the shop that they were the same mold as the Icons.
I can't understand why any shop that is familiar with the Tecnica brand would tell you that the mold was the same as the Icons...that was the reason I went with the Diablos...because it was a NEW mold...and didn't fit like the Icons. I would say that the 'issue' for you is more that the boot wasn't fit to you properly. I skied a bit last spring in the Diablo Magnesium, loved it, but wound up in the Diablo Race as it fit my foot even better. I can't think when I've been happier with a boot.
post #16 of 23
It still goes back to him not trying the boots on long enough.

He must be European to be that stupid.
post #17 of 23
Speaking of molds that are the same....I was at a boot fitter in Tahoe who claimed the last for the new Diablo Race Pro was essentially identical to the last for the Dobermann Race. Does anybody know if he was correct?
post #18 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fmr_Prairielander
Speaking of molds that are the same....I was at a boot fitter in Tahoe who claimed the last for the new Diablo Race Pro was essentially identical to the last for the Dobermann Race. Does anybody know if he was correct?
He was wrong.
post #19 of 23
He was right.

(in the sense that, essentially, it is the same - it it still designed to hold a foot, and is for a ski binding, so it has some similarity)
post #20 of 23
He claimed to have been at the build site and seen the CAD models for both boots. Obviously the liners are different, but he claimed the last of the boot itself was the same.

Besides knowing that both boots fit my foot well, all I really saw the same on the two was the cheap velcro spoiler.
post #21 of 23
No way that they are the same last. No way.
post #22 of 23

Huh?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mogulmike219
Good point on trying them on. Indeed I did and was assured by the shop that they were the same mold as the Icons.

As far as Europeans...I agree, however, when given a choice between the socialists in Europe and the communists in China, I hesitantly side with the Chinese.
Well, Mike, welcome to EpicSki. You'll find that there are quite a few experts here who can help you understand skiing and ski equipment.

That said, your shop was beyond mistaken. Furthermore, they clearly didn't know what they were doing in fitting you. Did they "shell fit" you (take the liners out, have you put your feet in, check the shell in comparison to your foot)? Did they check your feet for the right boots (have you remove your socks, ideally use shorts, and look at your feet and legs to get an idea of the boots that will fit you best)? Did they build you a custom footbed to get you to neutral? Did they check the way that you knees move when you flex? Did they check the angle of your boot sole when your legs and feet were neutral?

I'll stop here. Basically, I would be willing to accept a wager that the answer to all of these questions is "No".

Furthermore, having skied as much as you have in the level of boots you've been skiing, I find it very difficult to believe that you couldn't tell that they weren't fitting you correctly. Fit is the purvey of the consumer. No one else can really tell how it's fitting.

That said, get thee to a real boot fitter (check the list here at EpicSki or the Master Bootfitter list on-line). They'll be able to fix it in all likelihood. Next time, go to a real bootfitter first.
post #23 of 23
Good call on the shell fit. I used to own 3 shops and that is the first thing I showed my guys to do when fitting a customer. Many customers have downsized a size when switching from the old TNT/Icon to the Diablo.

The "new" diablo last is narrower in the toe box and the ankle area, and yes the liner is different than your old boots. Most of us call it progress, but oh well.

Your shop possibly put you in the incorrect boot, but they should be able to work with that toe box. A little/lot of heat and a boot stretcher can hit that toe box and make a square instead of a V and any shop worth a damn can do that.

Another great ??? raised was do you have custom insoles?? The proper footbed will support your arch, support your ankle and pull your forefoot back. If your arch is collapsing in the boot it widens your forefoot as well.

So I hope this all helps a little bit, and by the way what the hell with the Chinese??????? I'll take the euros any day, the chinese are a growing enemy not a friend!!! Unfortunately we are growing more not less dependent on them!!! The slow end of the west as the dominant power is coming to an end, and yet again the pendelum swings to the reds!
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