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post #1 of 11
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is it worth getting some fats for spring crude...i ski till closing and it get to be 6 plus inches of wet granular...and if so what am i looking for ..wifey maybe too
today =5 8 230 rossi zenith 170 upper interm/advanced level
wife 5 8 135 k2 t nine 160 upper intermediate/game for allmost anything

post #2 of 11
You should be leery of going too fat for "spring crud." Being a big guy, I love slush skiing because I don't have to work so hard to slow down. The snow forms a perfect platform under your skis on every turn. You can go mach 9 and stop on a dime, provided you are "in the snow." If you use a fat ski you tend to end up on top of the heavier snow going very fast, and then you have to fight you way back down into it to make a turn that slows you down. A ski with a tip that is too soft will do the same thing. Intead of fighting the fat skis tendency to climb up out of the snow, I think it is easier (and smoother) to use a narrower ski and ski in the slush.

I find that a medium-stiff smaller width ski works best. This will allow you to ski the snow more like powder, you just have to stay a little lower. I would not reccomend going wider than a narrow "mid-fat." I think that the stiffness of your tips is more important than the width of your skis

Just roll your knees and squirt!
post #3 of 11
I love my Pocket Rockets in deep slush. They really make a difference for me. I actually like riding higher in the slush because it makes it easier to pivot and slide the ski around.....carving is not always an option in moguls and steep terrain.
post #4 of 11
Just got back from Mammoth Mtn. Got a lot of runs in on Chair Nine where it was really sloppy. I got to use my Volkl Gotamas. I felt like a twelve year old. These are serious weapons for spring crud. I'm 5'9" and 210 on a good day. The Goats are 183. I don't think you can go too wide in these conditions You stay on top of the snow making everything easier. Almost as much fun as powder.
post #5 of 11
> "...Intead of fighting the fat skis tendency to climb up out of the snow, I think it is easier (and smoother) to use a narrower ski and ski in the slush..."

Obviously, everyone has different preferences, but like all the other posters thusfar in this thread, I love my fats for spring slop, especially when it is deeply tracked up. In fact, in this part of the country, mine see more use in slop than they do in new snow. To go even further, while most people refer to fatties as "powder skis", I refer to mine as my "slop skis".

IMHO, it is MUCH smoother to be riding on top of such snow than to have your skis and boots down in it. The reason is that when you go through push-piles with your skis deeply immersed, you suddenly encounter a lot of fore-aft resistance, then you bust through and the resistance suddenly decreases. OTOH, when I'm riding high in the slop, the changes in fore-aft resistance are vastly decreased and I don't have to use as much energy to stay balanced.

With respect to your comment about picking up more speed on fats, that is true, HOWEVER, you certainly don't pick up any more speed on fats in slush than you would on a packed groomer, and if you control your descent by turn shape instead of hoping for snow resistance to help you out, this "extra speed" is a complete non-issue.

As you can probably tell, in slush, you would have to pry my fats out of my cold, dead hands before I would give them up. Besides, I bet I can spray someone with more wet slop on my fats than you can on your skinny skis. Neyh ... neyh ...

Tom / PM

PS - Also, don't forget that what width is fat for you, may or may not be fat for someone else. Take a look at the old "Equivalent Float Chart" thread:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread... hart#post4525
post #6 of 11
I ski my 90mm waist AK Launchers as my "all mountain ski" now. They're awesome in the glop and crud. Remember, 90mm is the new 80mm.
post #7 of 11
Spring skiing on fat skis is definitely the ticket. Prior to this year, I skied on 70mm or less skis in all conditions, including slush. Early this year I picked up my 8000's with their 79mm waist and the first time in the slop I thought they were fantastic as they made these conditions much easier. Then a couple of weeks ago I picked up the 8800's (89mm) and it's been nothing but better. They say it's the skier and not the ski, but in this case the right equipment transformed spring conditions from hated on my part, to possibly my favorite.

And people say you don't need a powder ski in the Mid Atlantic. Not so, IMO.
post #8 of 11
Obviously, I am in the minority here. In an open bowl of very soft corn fat is great, but for skiing in areas where you are going in and out of shade, or early and late when when things are set up just a little and have that Rice Krispie feel I still like something that will ram through the slop, as opposed to continually jumping up on top of it.

If the snow is very soft fat works great, but I really hate that feeling of flying on top of the slop and having to make an abrupt blast back into it to slow down. I much prefer staying in a consistent carving mode. Maybe it's my size, but I don't mind pushing a little sludge through the turn. It is a much more secure, controlled and smooth (where you get that roller skating feeling).

I too have some 90mm AK Launchers that I love in powder, but for spring slop I'll take my 70mm (stiffer) X-Screams every time.

Perhaps I'm just a fatophobe stuck in the old school.
post #9 of 11
I like my AX3's 170cm better then my G3's 177cm or Atomic 10EX's 177cm with there 84cm waist. I skied all 3 on the same late mornig spring slop at Killington late last March. I was amazed at how the AX3 handled the different snow conditions on Super Star.
post #10 of 11
I use my Metron EX's in slush. They're not really a "full" fat, with 84 mm underfoot. But, they're best I've had in spring slop; enough float to ride over the slush, yet enough sidecut to easily initiate turns and hold when the slop gets hard (early or late in day).

I used to run my old Chubbs in the spring. They're also good - much better than regular skis - but not as agile or grippy as the M:EX's.
post #11 of 11

Fat Skis

It's really a matter of opinion, and may have to do with what kind of skiier you are. Whether it's worth getting another pair of skis also has to do with what sort of $$$ you've got in your pocket, and what you can pick up a pair of skis for. I got a pair of Chubbs, with Axial 110 bindings, through REI for less than $400. These are also great for powder, and I'm told they're great for crud (haven't gotten to use them for that purpose yet, but am going to UT next week, where it sounds a bit sloppy--I'll report).
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