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Intermediate suggestions?

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
I primarily ski groomers but occasionally trek to the back side. I classify myself as intermediate on the verge of advanced. Considering Atomic M9 and SX7 as well as Volkl 724 EXS. Thanks for your suggestions!
post #2 of 31
Might want to have a look at the Head i.C160. Very versatile ski, great on groomers, but decent in bumps, choppy stuff and a bit of deep stuff. And anyone can ski it without any problems. It would probably be good for you, since you'd have no problems skiing it now, but as you improve it won't hold you back at all.
post #3 of 31
Back40,

Are you more interested in a pure carving ski or an all mountain ski biased towards carving? Also, the SX7 will not be enough ski for you. I started the season on one after not having skied in 4 years, and ended up upgrading to a Fischer RX8 in February since I was being limited by the ski. If you are dead set on the Atomic SX line, I'd say the SX9 or possibly even an SX10 would be a better fit for you. What ability level trails do you regularly ski, and what do you enjoy?

-Craig
post #4 of 31
Thread Starter 
Craig W., I ski 98% groomed runs but didn't want to buy a ski that would keep me from venturing onto ungroomed areas as I see myself taking the plunge in the very near future. I ski double blues and single blacks in the Salt Lake area but will probably make a quick weekend run or 2 a year into the WV or NE area so the ski needs to be able to handle ice. I am not hard set on any particular make/model. I skied Volkl Superspeeds this year (at the suggestion of the ski rental dude) and found them unforgiving. I have always rented and have never taken the time to educate myself on ski designs and what is best for me. So I have been visiting the various ski manufacturer sites trying to come up with a list of models that suit my ability level and terrain. Thanks again for the feedback!
post #5 of 31
There is post in gear for sale for Rossi B1 03/04 170cm unmounted. Sounds like a great deal and should work for what you are looking for.
post #6 of 31
Back40,

I've heard Superspeeds are very much a one trick pony sort of ski (and I'm really surprised that somewhere put someone who considers themselves intermediate/advanced on them). I'm a Northeast/New England skier, so I generally lean towards carving skis (which are probably not the best choice for Utah). The B1 that gobig suggested may be a good choice, and you'd probably want to keep yourself to a ski with a waist between 70 and 80 cm. I've actually thought about getting a midfat to complement my RX8s (they can hold their own in crud and powder, but are a lot more work), and have been thinking about either Rossignol B2s or Dynastar Legend 8000s (basically if I can get a great deal on one as the season wraps up). Either of those could also be good choices to look at...
post #7 of 31
Thread Starter 
What is the basic diff b/w the B2 and B1?
post #8 of 31
Just a word of caution (the good kind) on the B1 if you have done mostly groomers on intermediate terrains... You will have to be much more forward and not be in the back seat (as you should be) on these skis, especially on ungroomed trails. This is not necessary true for entry level or carving skis.
post #9 of 31
then shouldnt he get the B1 so that'l limprove his technique coz he's being forced to get out of the backseat?
post #10 of 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strider
then shouldnt he get the B1 so that'l limprove his technique coz he's being forced to get out of the backseat?
That is why I called the caution the good kind.
post #11 of 31
Thread Starter 
OK...how about a brief definition of "backseat" and why I should be there? The skis I have rented have typically been carvers and have felt comfortable on them. Will B1s or 724s require more effort? Also, will the B1 / 724 handle hardpack as well as say SX9/10 or the 5/4 star? Given the vast majority of my skiing will always be on groomed (can't see my wife venturing off), I am starting to lean back towards a carving ski. Hope you folks will excuse my indecisiveness...:
post #12 of 31
Why limit yourself to a couple of poor skis?

The B1 is about as responsive and lively as a dead fish. The 724 is the better of the 2, but that's not saying a lot. If your going to ski groomers, get yourself a pair of RX 8's and call it a day. You'll find no other ski that will give you that level of performance yet is non-demanding and easy to ski. Best of all you can get some decent deals on these skis during the late season.
post #13 of 31
Coach, what do u think of the B2 then?
post #14 of 31
Thread Starter 
Coach..appreciate the suggestion. I haven't researched Fischer. Based on the RX8 specs looks like this is a carver like the 5 Star or SX10. How would the RX8 compare to the these 2 skis? Softer, stiffer, same? Thanks!
post #15 of 31
I'll second the vote for the Head iC 160. Foolproof no brainer. Can't go wrong.
It will do everything that you want it to do, and you'll look good doing it.
post #16 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac
I'll second the vote for the Head iC 160. Foolproof no brainer. Can't go wrong.
It will do everything that you want it to do, and you'll look good doing it.
OK now I've got another ski to consider. Read a very good review on the C140. Assuming the 160 is somewhat stiffer than the 140 how would it compare to the 5 star?
post #17 of 31
Do yourself a favour, an check skipressmag.com for reviews.

They have a gear issue, with decent reviews.

Pay particular attention to which categories the skis belong.

The 140 is below the 160, so is not as responsive.

The 5 star is a different ski altogether.

For your direct B2 question: I liked them. They were predictable, almost lazy. IMO, they were very versatile skis. But I'd choose something else if carving hard pack is the entree.
post #18 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE
Do yourself a favour, an check skipressmag.com for reviews.

They have a gear issue, with decent reviews.

Pay particular attention to which categories the skis belong.

The 140 is below the 160, so is not as responsive.

The 5 star is a different ski altogether.

For your direct B2 question: I liked them. They were predictable, almost lazy. IMO, they were very versatile skis. But I'd choose something else if carving hard pack is the entree.
Thanks for the link BIGE. Quite a learning process this is...
post #19 of 31
I wouldn't go for the 140's. You will probably outgrow them very quickly, if you haven't already. Stick with the 160's. I don't believe that the 140 has the Intelligence system, while the 160 does. Last spring we did a head to head comparison (pardon the pun) of demo skis, including the Volkl Supersports, at Stowe in some pretty dicy conditions. Two or three inches of sleet overnight on top of a thin layer of frozen granular on top of rock hard boilerplate cat track ice. You get the idea. And even my buddy, who is a dedicated Volkl owner, had to admit that the Heads were clearly the hands down winners.
post #20 of 31
Thread Starter 

What length Head C 160?

What length should I go with 163 or 170? I'm 5'11 175bls.
post #21 of 31
My guess would be a 170, but giving advice about ski length is tricky. Head's sizing chart says 175-209 lbs. should be in the 170-180 range. But you've got to factor in your ability level, aggressiveness, where and what you're going to be using it for, etc. It's always best to demo, but if thats not possible, the 170 seems to be a pretty universal size.
post #22 of 31
Thread Starter 
Well, I dropped by one of only 2 ski shops in my area because he is listed as a certified boot fitter. I've decided to go with a pair of lange boots as well as a foot bed. He didn't have much of a ski selection considering the time of year but did have a pair of Atomic M11s in 162 he said he would make me a good deal on. Wow are these things wide! Almost comical looking. So after searching this board seems these skis are more suited for the west although he said he has skied them on hardpack with no problems so eastern slopes shouldn't be a problem. Would it be a waist to only use these skis on groomers? I also think these may be a bit much for a level 7 skier. The main reason I am considering these skis is I feel safer buying from a local shop. I really appreciate everyone's input. This site has definitely been the most helpful and informative.
post #23 of 31
Back40, my buddy Flexon Phil of EpicSki bought the M:11 this year for skiing in the east. I ski the M:b5. They are both amazingly versatile skis, with the same footprint. The major difference is that the b5 has magnesium channels which makes them "more ski" in shorter lengths. I ski the b5 in 162, while Phil skis the M:11 in 172. I was going to suggest you try the Atomics if you can. The M:10 may be a better choice, but in the 162, the M:11 may be fun for you.

No worries about holding an edge, BTW.
post #24 of 31
As mentioned..I have the 11's for the east and I love them for every condition I have taken them in. Bumps, hardpack, softpack, crud, slush ect. They carve, they float, they do it all, it is truely a one ski quiver.

How big of a guy are you? I am 5'10" 200lb, I found the 162 to be a tad short and I went with the 172. if you are in the 175 +/- 10lb, the 162 should be fine.
post #25 of 31
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
As mentioned..I have the 11's for the east and I love them for every condition I have taken them in. Bumps, hardpack, softpack, crud, slush ect. They carve, they float, they do it all, it is truely a one ski quiver.

How big of a guy are you? I am 5'10" 200lb, I found the 162 to be a tad short and I went with the 172. if you are in the 175 +/- 10lb, the 162 should be fine.
I'm 5'11" 175lb. According to the Metron length calculator I should go with the 162.
post #26 of 31
Back40, I'd agree with that.
post #27 of 31
How about Head iM70? Skipress says:..."The ski’s got a great big sweet spot — easy to locate, especially in GS turns. Just tip ’em over and away they go. It’s not a stiff ski, but it’s stiff enough for you to push it into the upper rev ranges. Like most Heads, this Monster will hold your line. It takes some grunt at the start of a short rad to get it turning. Advice to short turners: endure some pre-season weight training."

I heard good things about these skis - and I'm thinking about getting them myself...

Voi
post #28 of 31
Back40. do yourself a favor and rent wide powder boards when your ready to go to the back side of the mountain. Use powder cords so you you don't loose them. Stick with a carving ski like the new '06 Volkl Allstars for the front side of the mountain.

If you want a do anything ski I am looking at the '06 Volkl Unlimited AC4. I have not skied it but the SPECs on this ski are awesome. This ski has a 82mm waist which should make it an excellent backside ski. The AC4 also has a turning radius of 16.1m in the 170cm length, which should make it an awesome frontside carver on groomed trails. Will this ski be as good as a 95mm waist powder board backside ski like Pocket Rockets or Rossignol B3? Absoultly not. Will they carve as good as the Volkl Allstars on groomers? Close but no. But they are about as close to a do anything 50/50 ski as your going to get.

Another good 50/50 ski is the Stockli Stormrider XL with a 75mm waist. This ski favors the frontside. Note the carving turning radius specs of the new '06 Volkl Unlimited AC4 beats the Stockli XL. It would be interesting to test drive both these skis on front and back sides.
post #29 of 31
Thread Starter 
Read a couple threads on the M11 and found where strong intermediates felt the M11 was too much. So guess I'll sway back to the Head iC 160. Unfortunately I can't seem to locate any. Can any suggest where I might be able to buy these as well as the iC Lightning for my wife?
post #30 of 31
Catskills,
Both of the skis you mentioned kick absolute ass. I demoed the Stormrider at Snowbasin and that thing busted crud with ease and handled the Grizzly Downhill very well for a mid-fat. A few weeks ago I got on the AC4's and that's all she wrote. I LOVE THIS SKI. Like you said, it'll make a great 50/50 ski. Handles the crud no prob, carves the groomed nearly as well as my 5 stars and I imagine it would have some float in the pow or just steam through the shallow stuff. It's wider, as stiff but doesn't feel as heavy as the 724 Pro.
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