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I Hate Moguls

post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 
I've been skiing for 22 years. I've ridden steeps, trees, pow, crud, ice, pack, corn, backcountry, in-bounds, out-of-bounds, chutes, rock, you name it. If there's snow on it I can ski it. I'm not saying this to brag but only to set a very clear precedent for the following statement. I am a very good skier and I HATE MOGULS WITH THE ALL THE FIERY PASSION OF HELL!: don't get me wrong. i can ski them (at least on the right set of boards...oh how I've struggled through the icy hell of Mott canyon's moguled-out crap on 191's...it sucks). But on the right boots (i prefer like an 90 to 95 flex for mogs) and some short snappy decks I'll bob and weave down the bumps in a nice straight line...but it's just no fun. I feel like the entire fact of mogs is that they force good skiers to ride like mediocre skiers (y'know 20 turns when about six would do...or maybe 12...I'm known for turning a little less than I should. ) I know they're unavoidable too but I just think mountains should start knockin' em down more often. If they want to devote a few runs to them, okay but for gods sake if it's gonne drop a few feet of pow FLATTEN the slope and let us enjoy the freshies instead of having to worry about some oblong landmine blowing us the hell out of our bindings. I know I'm ranting but I'm just wondering if anyone feels the way I do. Mogs are slow, painful and they hurt people more than any other condition. I hate them...what about you?
post #2 of 54
My view: a lot of people ski against the moguls, try skiing with them. Instead of bashing them, ski them sensually - let them take you where they want you to go. Straight lines in mogul fields are for competition - that's when you bash and smash. Get loving with the moguls and they'll love you back.

That's my 2 cents.

If someone else knows what I mean and can explain better, please do!
post #3 of 54
Moguls are ,our friends. they help us control our speed. They weed out the pretenders. They seperate the boys from the men. the woman from the girls. I may not ski them well but I take pride that at 54 I can ski them and like to ski them. I may not ski them great definitely not a zipperline bumper, more like a tip and slip bump skier.
I do understand about those nasty little bumps hiding under the powder. still if the mountain plowed all the bumps under you would get bored. PCMR is doing just that. It is now for the most part not a challeging place to ski. What were once nice long challeging runs are nothing more then slightly steeper slightly longer blue runs.
post #4 of 54
BAMF...Bumps Are More Fun.
post #5 of 54
I have to admit that I absolutely LOVE moguls. I'm actually not that excited by steeps or big open western bowls -- I'd actually prefer to ski those bumped.

It doesn't always happen, but when I'm skiing the bumps really well there's an incredible effortlessness to it that just feels wonderful. When I ski them with bad form, there's a lot of bashing and smashing and jouncing and "oofing" that goes on -- it's hard work and though I enjoy it I can understand someone not liking it. But skiing moguls really well feels just effortless and wonderful.

And I have to disagree with you about moguls and powder. I agree I don't have a great use for them when it snows 2' or more. But when it snows 6" to a foot, and all that snow blows off the tops into the troughs, taking a nice line through all those troughs is magnificent -- can turn boottop powder into constant face shots.
post #6 of 54
They're kinda like chili. I like them but they don't like me.
post #7 of 54
I have never thought that skiing exactly where a 100+ people have turned is what sking is about. Try turning anywhere but in the trough, and explore new lines and angles. At least it will be make the bumps a little more interesting.

Back when I was a ski patrolman on a big mountain I needed to conserve my energy to last all day, so I found myself finding the easiest line down every run. This attitude has stayed with me and I still seem to always seek the smallest bumps on the edge of the trail, just above or below abstacles, or directly under the chair. I pride myself on skiing the bumps with the least amount of effort possible, rather than flashing a good line. Zip lines are for teenage knees.

Between the snowboards and super short skis, the bumps are becoming pretty much trench warfare. A trip to Taos or Alta where snowboards are not allowed will do wonders for restoring the joy of skiing bumps.
post #8 of 54
I love moguls. They are a great work out and a wonderful way to reduce tension. Why do you want to know how we feel about them?
post #9 of 54
I once saw the U.S. Ski Team free skiing the bumps on Thaynes at PCMR. They were following each other down, men and women in a perfect flowing line arcing big GS turns all the way. Their legs pumping up and down like huge pistons, their upper bodies flowing smooth as a running stream. Never seen anything like it.

Now a real zipperline bumper might have an issue with that, but I don't know too many who could ski like that either.

I'm 48 and used to like bumps. I guess I still do - just not as much.
post #10 of 54
Mudfoot,Your right about snowboards and Bumps. They just don't mix very well. Add Deer Valley to that list. There are some excellent bump runs there.
20thskier, your the first skier i have ever heard say they don't like big open bowls? not knocking you, just wondering why not?
post #11 of 54
I must say I love the bumps and enter them whenever possible. I guess I just like the challenge.
post #12 of 54
I like bumps, but earlier in the day rather than later. The knees and legs can't take it all day anymore.
post #13 of 54
I try to carve turns at speed over bumps whenever possible (large open slope full of bumps, few people, etc.) because it helps you deal with terrain that your mind can't keep up with but your feet can.
post #14 of 54
I was in love with moguls, but they done me wrong. .. Wait a minute...I did them wrong!
post #15 of 54
Originally Posted by Utah49
20thskier, your the first skier i have ever heard say they don't like big open bowls? not knocking you, just wondering why not?
It's not that I don't like big open bowls...just that they don't particularly excite me. I like to ski them now and then for the beautiful views and on a powder day they're lots of fun. But what I really love about skiing is looking down a hill and seeing all sorts of terrain issues (bumps, trees, rolls, gully walls, whatever) and quickly choosing the best line I can find through all that as it unfolds in real time in front of me. Basically it's rapid spatial problem solving, which you then have to back up with physical agility. Tight trees I find the most fun this way -- turning around a tree without being able to see very far ahead, having to quickly size up what lies beyond and figure out where my next turn or two will be, and then repeat.

The upshot I guess is that I love skiing as mental exercise as well as physical. And this doesn't really happen in a big open bowl.
post #16 of 54
Originally Posted by 20thSkier
Basically it's rapid spatial problem solving, which you then have to back up with physical agility.
Agreed. I'm drawn to moguls because they are as much a mental challenge as they are physical one. BTW, the initial poster is trolling, IMHO.
post #17 of 54
Thread Starter 

I stand corrected

You guys make some great points. what the hell is "trolling IMHO," though.:
post #18 of 54
Ok, I 'll take the bait.
I used to hate moguls too, mostly because they slowed me down, and I only wanted to go faster.

Their purpose is not to seperate the men from the boys, but to make the boys feel like men. You see, they HAVE to be skied slowly. People who are afraid to ski fast can claim that they are good skiers because the can CONTROL their speed. The same people who chicken out of shussing a chute, can redeam their honour by skiing down a steep pitch of moguls. Straight-lining a steep run with 6 foot high moguls is not something I would reccommend.

Being stuck in Ontarible, I have come to feel ambivilant towards moguls. They are the only part of the hill where I actually have to pay a bit more attention to what I'm doing. I've even invented a new game - mogul tetris, where you try to carve through them as fast as you can until you have to bail or brake. You can't go fast in southern Ontario (not steep or long enough to get up any real speed), but you can at least go "fast for moguls". It puts some challenge back into skiing.

P.S. I'm going to buy a nice short pair of, oh say 170cm, skis just so I can have more fun in moguls.
post #19 of 54
I love moguls more than any challenge on the mtn. I am currently looking for any advice on skis for next season. I want a ski that can handle bumps and crud. I am currently on Rossi Bandit X's. Is it me or does the Bandit X fell kind of noodle like?
post #20 of 54
Honestly, Im not the biggest bump fan either.

Give me a steep chute or some nice cliff hucks any day.

I guess my real issue with them is that they are an essentially unnatural snow condition, they would not exist if it were not for the horde. However, I guess I prefer em to groomers, at least you get rid of ma and pa gaper- probably are a lot safer too due to the natural speed check.
post #21 of 54
Then don't ski them...
post #22 of 54
Originally Posted by nochaser3006
what the hell is "trolling IMHO," though.:

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
post #23 of 54
Phil says BAMF and I agree Bumps are a Mo Fo

I got some truly huge crunches skiing two feet of pow at Steamboat when I hit a stretch with those short steep moguls underneath.

And at 62 I just don't need that sort of aggravation.

Luckily my local mountain, just a short two hour drive away, grooms most and leaves some moguls for those who like them on a couple blacks. Sunday I saw maybe one or two skiiers who were proficient in those bumps. The rest were slide/traversing the bumps.
post #24 of 54
Sounds like most of the people that are at all negative about the bumps don't know how to ski them. If you are using the words "carve" or "turn" you just don't get it.
post #25 of 54
I love them even more than powder. why? not boring, very dynamic skiing, requires technique and concentration, good indicator what shape are you in.
post #26 of 54
I'm not keen on moguls, but that's because I'm not very good at skiing them! I love watching people who know what they are doing skiing them though - a good excuse to stand at the side of the slope resting my knees!
post #27 of 54
If you ski at a resort that has modest vertical, moguls definitely make the hill ski "bigger". I tend to gravitate to the couple of bump runs at our area when traffic starts to build up on the cruisers. I 'm concerned that the goomed freeway is a good place to get clipped by another border or skier from mid morning on. I always feel safer in the bumps when crowds are an issue. Plus moguls takes a different skill set , I don't know if a good mogul skier is a superior skier to the skier who can make flawless turns on the groomed, but I'm more impressed with the skier that can rip the bumps.
post #28 of 54
Originally Posted by roundturns
I don't know if a good mogul skier is a superior skier to the skier who can make flawless turns on the groomed, but I'm more impressed with the skier that can rip the bumps.
Skiing bumps or ungroomed natural terrain inherently makes you better on the groomers...
post #29 of 54
Thread Starter 

What is Trolling?

I'm not hip to computer lingo. What does it mean to say someone is trolling?:
post #30 of 54
Originally Posted by CAPBOY
Sounds like most of the people that are at all negative about the bumps don't know how to ski them. If you are using the words "carve" or "turn" you just don't get it.
No offense to anyone, but I kind of agree with CAPBOY - 'cause I just can't see how anyone can 'carve' a real mogul field.
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