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"Dynamic" Skiing

post #1 of 12
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This is a term I am hearing used with increasing frequency.

Could someone describe in detail the movements associated with "Dynamic Skiing"/"Dynamic Turns" etc?
post #2 of 12
Dynamic turns are turns when speed, terrain, intent, combine to the point where isolated movements/skills no longer work. A more refined blend of all the skills and constant refinement of these skills throughout the turn.

Example. You can make open parallel turns by a first moving to a new edge, then a light pivot of both feet. Staying in balance of course. Not a whole lot of other movement is required. You can also make a very carved turn just by tipping the ski and riding it around the turn (Park and ride) These turns can be very good looking but really pretty static skiing.

When the speed and intensity of the skiing builds up, you must continue to adjust the blend of these skills to keep in balance, and effect the type of turn you are making.

At what point does static skiing switch to dynamic skiing. Huge gray area. Depends on who is evaluating.
post #3 of 12
When I think of dynamic turns the vision that comes to mind is a turn that is using the ski to carve and build stored energy in it then releasing that energy into the new turn as opposed to a skidded turn where there is no build up and release of any stored energy. By stored energy, I refer to a bending ski caused by carving which builds pressure that is then released by a relaxation or active retraction of the legs and redirected into the new turn as apposed to disipated into a straight traverse or uphill christie. A dynamic turn coincidently demonstrates higher degrees of angulation and inclination to balance against and create the forces inherent in a dynamic turn. The dynamic turn demonstrates the skier's abilities to blend the skills efficiently to produce a more energetic, higher intensity turn.

An undynamic turn would be one that never builds much energy in the ski and dissapates the energy through skidding or using inefficient turn transitions. These type of turns do not incorporate much angulation or inclination and do not harness any stored energy with which to facilitate a new turn initiation.
post #4 of 12
Thanks Bud, That's a more precise description. Only thing I might question is a "park and ride" turn which generates a great deal of energy in bending a ski, and is released during the transition (usually in the form of a little air or some retraction) but most of the people I've talked to don't consider these turns to be very dynamic. Fun, yes, but Static and not very dynamic.
post #5 of 12
dchan, I agree with you! good point...on one hand dynamic means "movement". I believe if you "park and ride" (sounds like a "carpool" turn), you are not being as dynamic as one who fluidly blends flexion/extesion movements with inclination/angulation movements and fluidly transitions from turn to turn.
post #6 of 12
To answer that, and extend Bud's view, I consider dynamic skiing to reflect efficient management of the energy both within each turn and conservation of it's flow from turn to turn. In dynamic skiing the skier is always the driver, producing continous, smooth, seamless connected arcs directed wherever they wish to go. This is in contrast to the on, off, on, off of park-n-ride where the skier is mostly a passinger ending up on the path the skis take them.

Many find fun in taking the bus and enjoying the ride.
I prefer to drive.
post #7 of 12
From the dictionary. "continuos, effective, vigorous, action". We dissected dynamic skiiing some in a recent clinic. The difference was dertermined to be found in the intensity and range of the motions and actions. Bigger grosser movements at a higher intensity are present in dynamic skiing. We also felt that continuos and effective should always be present in our skiing, dynamic or not. Leaves me with plenty to work on. Later, RicB.
post #8 of 12
It is about movement. But specifically, I think in non-dynamic skiing, the CM remains above the BOS. In dynamic skiing, the CM is moved outside of the BOS. eg. topples over neutral at transition, or the CM moves inside a turn etc.... the further inside the turn the CM goes, the more dynamic that turn is..... by this view park and ride qualifies as a dynamic turn, but is really not all that dynamic....
post #9 of 12
From the CSIA level III skiing demonstration requirements:

Dynamic Parallel – linked and efficient parallel turns at faster speed on groomed
advanced (black) terrain.

• Application of technical principles as defined in Basic Parallel at advanced
• Fluid, linked movements carrying momentum from phase 3 to phase 1.
• Energy of ski reaction controlled and directed to maximize gliding on the

post #10 of 12
This thread sort of begs the question I've been wondering about lately.

Preface: first season on shaped skis, after a long period of no skiing.

The question: Turn initiation... So far I've found two ways to make my new shaped skis carve:
1) Start with the future inside/uphill ski by tipping it towards its little toe edge. Keeping the future outside/downhill ski static, and waiting for it to engage the snow - and creating a carved turn. Is this what you are calling "park and ride"?

I learned this from lessons, and also from the online stuff of the Harb ski system. Seems like an ok way to turn, but it falls apart for me on steeper terrain, as I dont turn quickly enough to stay in control.

2) Starting each turn by tipping both skis at the same time.. combined with a little outward push. This seems to cause the skis to "cross under" me and carve a nice turn (sometimes). Is this what is meant by "dynamic skiing" ?

if I get the angle and the correct amout of push generated - I get a sweet carve. . If I dont get it right, I end up skidding or sideslipping the turn. I also seem to use alot of 'up-down' motion using this technique on any type of incline.

So anyways, Im a bit perplexed. Which mehod of turn initiation should I hone in on and practice?
post #11 of 12
Go with 1. But realize that you need to add more movements as the terrain gets steeper, turns get shorter, or speeds increase. Come to http://www.realskiers.com/pmtsforum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=bbe4d833e34668c925b9b1e2da60 0905 if you want to get more details on this.
post #12 of 12

dynamic = not static

dynamic to me means something is in a constant state of change.
the skis are pressured when the flex into our boots at the bottom of
the turn, and also pressured when we extend. when neither of those
are is changing, we tend to be static, ie park and ride

dynamics skiers look "good" even at slow speeds / green terrain.

when i get lazy as the skis change direction, I find my CM
on the tail of my uphill ski, which means i need a big active
move to get back across my skis

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