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post #61 of 64
Originally Posted by nolo
cantunamunch--what are you talking about? Pole touch is just a cue. Touch and GO.
Yes, nolo. My question is: what is the pole tip actually desirably doing when one says "pole touch". I see three possible components of the motion:

1. The pole tip is dragged.

2. The pole tip is prepared (decelerated) for touch by the upper body or contact with the snow and (ideally) accelerated after by the upper body.

3. The pole and tip swing through an arc, with pivot at the pole tip (not moving relative to snow) and the grip of of the pole moves at skier-waist speed. In this instance a longer pole makes the grip move slower.

So. If you were to break down a perhaps-slightly-less-than-ideally quick "pole touch" into its component elements, which of the above, or which combination, is ideal?

With that answer, could you tell me if there is a desirable force along the shaft of the pole? One can easily see that, if #2 occurs mostly by contact with snow, there is a force along the shaft (not controlled by the skier and requiring adaptive absorption, but perhaps centering?)

Apologies if I'm not phrasing this correctly; I understand intuitively your 'touch and go' but cannot explain it to someone who does not. The fingertip to countertop example would be perfectly adequate if we had hand wings such as I mentioned above and are written about here.
post #62 of 64
Cantunamunch, the pole doesn't have to touch to help me balance, so no, I do not think there needs to be a force along the shaft of the pole. The benefit is in alignment of the body over the center of the skis, not in providing a stop in the flow of movement.
post #63 of 64
Very good, thank you. It seems to me we're talking of an action that is rather called "don't quite touch". How visual is this action? Is there a "centering" during a whiteout?
post #64 of 64
We are talking about having the whole system in equilibrium for a fleeting moment in the turn, cantunamunch, which I call the nanosecond of neutral. The inside pole is part of that moment. The touch is just that, soft and instant, which is not to say that the movement leading up to the touch is quick or rapid -- the movement is paced to bring the pole tip to the snow exactly when the skis are flat to the ground, the bones are stacked right over each other, and the muscles are relaxed. For me, a kinesthetic learner, having this sensation in every turn as my goal has made it possible to finish turns in great position to start turns.
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