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Anyone skied Marker's Piston Control

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Anyone skied Marker's Piston Control. I'm probalby going to put a pair on my SL skis. Just curious as to weather they really work. and if there actually is 14mm of lift. Backrounds would be nice.

post #2 of 24
Not yet, will run a review when i do, (They did pre- release, they didn't) 1300 Pistons
Re; watching racing on TV that's a dirty mind.....
post #3 of 24
I have the Comp 1400 with the World Cup Piston Control plate on my Stockli GS's and SLR's. This plate is different from the stock plate in that it is actually adjustable. The shop set it differently for my GS and SL skis. It's most noticable ripping high speed carves on the GS's. You can sort of feel the piston load when the ski is bent, but you can definitly feel itunload when you exit the turn. You can feel the ski snap or rebound comming out of the turn, it just seems more under control and stable. It really is pretty cool. However, no piece of equipment is ever going to smooth out an icy, rutted-up course.

Honestly, I really didn't feel it working on the sl skis. I didn't really free ski with them, I only skied gates. My SLR's are 156's and with a ski that short I don't think that the the little piston has too much of an effect on the its performance.

My buddy has the regular piston control plate and I think that WC PC plate is noticeably better and worth the extra cost if you are going to be racing. Anyway, the binding is rock solid and quick edge to edge. I have no complaints. I'm curious to see what other people have say about it.
post #4 of 24
I put the piston 1200 on my new P50 platinums (I don't race or jump). I couldn't get the ski to throw me with the piston on, however when I turned it off i got an occasional rebound "toss" of balance. I think the thing really works.
post #5 of 24
Thanks for the info on the Marker Piston. I bought it for my new skis. I was told that it took the place of the SLC's. My problem with the SLC's is you had to remember to make a choice.

If the Piston has eliminated that, ie. it works all the time in any condition, then you have a wonderful user friendly binding.

If we ever get any opportunity to make snow in the midwest, I will try to post my impressions.
post #6 of 24
Update on the Marker Piston Control Binding:

My impressions similiar to those of the Easterskibum. I think it does work and having skied on Marker SLC's for years, it is a welcome improvement not to have to decide or have to remember to decide on which setting. I think this is one of the objectives that Marker wanted to achievewith this new technology. I think it does without compromise.

Two things:

1st:When the Piston is not engaged, I think this makes for a softer ski thus making it more suitable for powder, slush and other types of spring gunk. Not sure about this so maybe someone else would want comment on this. The brochure and website had nothing to offer in answering this question.

2nd: One problem, and this was while I was experimenting with the binding in the off[disengaged] postion. When I wanted to re-engage it, I found that the lever wouldn't complete engage due to an icey build up. So if you disengage the piston while skiing, and wish to re-engage it, make sure that you get a very solid engagement by first clearing the lever mechanism any ice or snow.

Overall, I think Marker's Piston Control is a real winner.
post #7 of 24
I have the 1400 on my AK Launchers, and can not tell any difference on or off. Of course, I don't use them on firm snow very often, and they would probably be more noticable on a more carve-ish ski. My girlfriend has them on her G3s, and she has not noticed any difference either, but only has about 10 real runs on them, all in soft snow.
post #8 of 24

If you and your significant other would disengage the binding on soft snow/powder, and then repeat the same run with the piston control function engaged, could you post and tell us if you then noticed any difference ?

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post #10 of 24
gee thanks Aynfan, a citation to Pouter -- we all know that if it's said on Pouter, surely it is the same as fact! : :

Pouter is full of folks who brag by lying. Evil E's series of posts on the new Piston bindings just supports the validity of my view. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I'd rather read the informed stories & opinions of those who are objective and have no testosterone-boosting intent behind their posts. As for you -- back to the sandbox, only 1 more hour 'til juice and cookies time.

post #11 of 24
I guess I am still a little pissed about the broken leg...
post #12 of 24
I have the 1200 piston on my k2 axis x. waiting to try them when I get to colorado waiting sucks anyway I was told to leave the piston off for all conditions off piste & moguls but turn them on for hardpack to make the ski more stable at speed. I guess we'll see
post #13 of 24
It's my understanding that the old SC and the Piston have different objectives. I used to ski a pair of SC's on a soft ski. I would have to move it to the firm setting everytime I hit hard stuff in order to improve the performance of the ski. I would use the soft setting for softer snow.

The Piston allows the ski to flex naturally at all times, it contol's (smooths) the rebound of the ski. IMHO, there's no reason to ever really turn off the piston. But, I guess it's not really needed in soft snow.

BTW i've skied Markers for about 8 years (my previous pairs where M51 sc, and M51 titanium) and don't have a problem with pre-release because I stay balanced over my skis. I did have a tibial plateau compression fracture when the binding released at the same time as my leg. I got stopped during a fall by the ski digging into the snow.
post #14 of 24
I have played with the on off switch, as have a couple of my friends. Only one guy, a race coach who is a very strong skier seems to notice much difference.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
I finally got to ski them(Comp1400 PC) and honestly I don't feel much difference. Mabye it is because the skis are so short (163). Anyway, gimicks aside the bindings still work great. No pre releases so far.

John I snaped my tibia and Fibia(think that's what it's called) in my lower leg. I was riding a pair of Salomons. It can happen with any binding.
post #16 of 24
That is true matt but EasternSkiBum and I both had Tibia plateu breaks. Mine was just before releasing in a forward twisting fall on some MRR's. How about you ESB? I now have Solomans and Looks, both companies have enginered solutions specific for this type of fall...
post #17 of 24
My break happend on a backward fall in heavy snow. When I went down, the edge of my ski dug in and stopped me abruptly. The femur drove through the knee (on an angle) and tore the miniscus before taking a chunk off the tibia. The binding released simultaneously with the break I think. I don't blame the binding, I blame fatigued legs the first day of the season at 2:00.

BTW... I believe the same fall in the east would have resulted in nothing more than a slide.
post #18 of 24
You dont think a binding that allows the toe to release upward in a backward fall might have opended before your leg had enough pressure to break (ie Salomon or Look)?

I am guessing your leg broke and then the marker allowed it to release sideways (the only way out)

I'm no expert here, just trying to use my head a little.
post #19 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:
Pouter is full of folks who brag by lying.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Plenty of people there that don't do either.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gonzostrike:
I'd rather read the informed stories & opinions of those who are objective

Many at POWDER are. Here's an informed story/opinion for you.

I've been skiing Marker bindings the last 10 years for probably a total of 1000+ days. I haven't had a problem with the prerelease issues people claim to experience with Marker bindings until this season. I had a prerelease just as people at POWDER had discribed. A brief shock, while I was in balance, that I should have been able to ski through but the toe thought it was time to let go. I don't think it would have happened on my Salomons.

It's too bad. The Marker speedpoint binding is so easy to adjust I love using it on my demo skis, but now when things get hairy, I'm going to have that prerelease experience nagging at me.

Keep an open mind and spend some time at the other site. You'll be able to sort truth from fiction in no time.
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post #21 of 24
Hey nwJohn,
do you think the prelease is due to the speedpoint?
post #22 of 24
I have no idea. I never had that problem with my markers, just the broken leg...
post #23 of 24
Matt, duck tape is all you need. Fewer wraps for a lower din setting. It works better than the marker piston bully.
post #24 of 24
update: Just got back from skiing Alta, Sbird, Brighton(2)and Solitude. we had every condition from hardpack double black bumps to overthehead snow eating utah pow AND my marker 1200 piston bindings on my k2 axis x skis kicked *SS! I didnt have any preleases and the piston catapulted me out of the bumps and eliminated the chatter at high speeds. I rode them with and without the piston control and imho the only way to go is with the control on. AWESOME bindings! [img]smile.gif[/img] xBart
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