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post #91 of 111
I feel as though Perswede has summed everything up well from an insiders point. Most of the people against this are just pointing fingers because of a silly story they read. Thankyou for your insight, I feel as though you told it how it is.

I applaud the people who were able to step back, think and remain relatively neutral. Captain Strato and JohnH most memorably. Alot of people on here feel elite because they are part of EpicSki, the best damn forum anywhere! I'm addicted to this place, but it doesn't make me more of a skier.
Everyone who assumes and rips on these guys(who the article is about) for not being excellent skiers are saying that to be a skier, a "cool" skier, you can't be intermediate or beginner. Where then, did you all start? What about the people on this forum who aren't experts. Some of our most popular posters AREN"T the best skiers. If we get rid of them and keep only the experts this place wouldn't be so fun.Think about the people here you may or may not be offending with your remarks.

All you people who traveled to ESA, who take trips to here or there, who outfit your family each year... i don't care how much you save... have more money then me. I just sold 100 cd's so that I can have money to ski Cannon midweek ($15-20 a day) Yes, i work, but I'm among the poorest of the poor, a recent college grad who just moved back home. So i must be the most hardcore, i'm even selling everything i own, extra skis bla bla bla just to buy lift tickets! WRONG, we're all skiers and you better believe if i could afford Jackson Hole, Vail, Jay, Sugarloaf then I'd be there. (much love to Cannon though). I don't think any less of anyone for what they earn, when it comes down to it, we're skiers. It doesnt matter how you get there, or what terrain you ski on. Some may be better skilled, some maybe better looking, we're all just skiers. Thats all I've ever wanted to be. just a skier.

Why Don't we point our fingers at the EpicSki Supporters next? They get their own lounge and special features that us regular people can't get into. Man, I bet those guys think they're better then us regular "members". They aren't real skiers, we should make them wear signs with bigger "Epic ski Supporter" words under their name so everyone can point their fingers at them and make judgements.

Better yet, I'm going to return a neck gaiter I bought and i'm going to send that money to Epic Ski.

You say money is the root of all evil? What then is the root of all money. (The first person who posts what that is from earns huge points in my book)
post #92 of 111
Having not read through this thread in its entirety, I apologise if someone has suggested this earlier.

Surely there are some enterprising Bears out there that can find some cash to buy a membership and then let it out by the week (of course with a commission) to the rich ones that missed out on their place?
post #93 of 111
Quote, RJP
You say money is the root of all evil? What then is the root of all money. (The first person who posts what that is from earns huge points in my book)[/quote]

Al Pacino in the "Devils Advocate"
post #94 of 111
One thing that this thread has shown me is that we're all elitists. What we consider elite is different for each of us, but some fit in our "club" and some don't. We naturally create tribes to belong to which are, of course, better than all of those other wrong-thinking ones. Just the fact that this string is on its fourth page shows how personal this is to us.

Just as an example, I'm a card holding member of the Jazz-Lovers Elitist Club. When I was reading the posts on what music people listen to on the way to the slopes I felt that I was looking down upon the unwashed. Had to smack myself in the head to come back to reality.

I think the key is to recognize elitism in myself and to make sure I don't act on it. By doing this it helps me keep it at bay. Sort of like anger management.
post #95 of 111
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Originally Posted by ragin' cajun'
Quote, RJP
You say money is the root of all evil? What then is the root of all money. (The first person who posts what that is from earns huge points in my book)

Al Pacino in the "Devils Advocate"
Really? Darnit, I've never seen that movie, but now i feel as though I need to. Thanks for the shout Ragin'

Let me adjust my statement.
The First person who posts which Book/ Author that is from earns huge points in my book.
post #96 of 111

Great Lines

Al Pacino delivered one of the best quotes of all time in the Devils Advocate. "Guilt is like carrying around a bag of bricks. All you have to do is set it down."

Over all it was not a very good movie, but it is worth seeing just for Picino as the devil. It had a lot of great lines.
post #97 of 111
I couldn't even finish reading that...it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's very American, I'm sad to say.

Having a private resort is one thing but allowing people with more money to jump the line, have 'exclusive' runs, etc is totally against what skiing should be, imo.

Would I pay for that stuff? Maybe at a private club but NEVER if it was going to give me advantages that others on the same mountain couldn't have - I'm too afraid of karma for that!

I'll take real skiers, any day.
post #98 of 111
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
It's very American, I'm sad to say.
Wow, talk about elitist! Do you really think that Whistler won't do this in a heartbeat if it plays out well economically in other places? They'll wish that they had thought of it first. When it comes to $$$ there are no borders and very few cultural differences.

I'm a flaming liberal socialist, but I'm also a realist.
post #99 of 111
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Originally Posted by pheft
Wow, talk about elitist! Do you really think that Whistler won't do this in a heartbeat if it plays out well economically in other places? They'll wish that they had thought of it first. When it comes to $$$ there are no borders and very few cultural differences.

I'm a flaming liberal socialist, but I'm also a realist.
Well, there you go - it didn't start at Whistler, did it?
But my point wasn't that this could only happen in the US - just that it does mirror American values (money is everything) better than any other culture's values. If it were to happen at Whistler, Canadians would see it as "very American" I can assure you.
If you really believe money eliminates cultural differences I invite you to compare US and Canadian approaches to health care...Or US health care verus any industrialized nation's health care.
post #100 of 111
Whoa. Praising Whistler (i.e.] Intrawest) for its resistance to the lure of big money?

Maybe compared to Vail or something. If you think those are the only two examples, you need to get around more. I'd say Whistler is more devoted to "big money" than at least 90% of the ski areas in America (okay, and Canada too).

I'm pretty sure I saw first-class train cars in Europe. Don't know about Canada.
post #101 of 111
This is kind of funny. i live in a ski town that has one of the those resorts that carters to the very wealthy. Some of those people are just plain snobs. Other are some of the nicest down to earth people you would want to meet. I do know people who could buy at the Yellowstone Club . Infact they were offered a guest weekend as way to get them to take a look around in the hopes that they would buy up there. John found it great but boring in that rideing lifts with all sorts of people meeting and talking is fun to him. He is a real people person. He likes to ski with everyone from the ski bum to other near billionaires. The hiring of instructors to by pass lift lines is nothing new. I have a quickstart pass at Park City the extra 100 or so for that pass is worth it. I don't hear anyone saying anything negative about the Teton Club at Jacksonhole? Most of my working life has brought me in contact with some very wealthy people . some are great others just a pain in the butt. People are just people no matter what thier Bank account says. Now if i could just find a rich woman to support me i would bea happy man
post #102 of 111
Ok I read the article. My take: who cares. If the richie riches of the world want to pay $50K to sit next to other rich people in a ski lodge then let 'em.

"Theres a sucker born every minute." -- P.T. Barnum.
post #103 of 111
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
Whoa. Praising Whistler (i.e.] Intrawest) for its resistance to the lure of big money?
I wouldn't praise Intrawest too quickly....................................
They own Stratton.
post #104 of 111
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Originally Posted by Ullr
I wouldn't praise Intrawest too quickly....................................
They own Stratton.
>>"It's very American, I'm sad to say."<<

Intrawest is a Canadian company... eh!
post #105 of 111
I must have really screwed up things if you guys thinking I'm "praising Intrawest for resistance to big money"!

I didn't mean to suggest that!!! Hahahahaha!

Sun Peaks, on the other hand...
post #106 of 111
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
it does mirror American values (money is everything)
Please revisit your sterotypes of American values. This is insulting, though I doubt you meant it that way. I'm an American and money is not "everything" to me. I would never make a blanket statement about another country or their people and you should not either. Learn some manners.
post #107 of 111
Isn't Intrawest primarily owned by Joe Hussin's family, from Saudi Arabia?

I must agree, OldSchool, that Sun Peaks is a classy operation, with apparently balanced priorities. A model for a well-run, responsible, modern resort.

However, don't go annoying pheft. He's not to be trifled with.
post #108 of 111
I believe the quote is "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." Huge difference, and this is probably the most misquoted quote I've ever heard.

There's nothing wrong with having money...boatloads of it, or just enough. It's what you become when you have it that makes you cool........or not.
post #109 of 111
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
And ... you think you're better than them. No?
shut your pie-hole, Mr Economics Is God. your guesses are bad and your aim is worse.
post #110 of 111
Quote:
Originally Posted by pheft
Please revisit your sterotypes of American values. This is insulting, though I doubt you meant it that way. I'm an American and money is not "everything" to me. I would never make a blanket statement about another country or their people and you should not either. Learn some manners.
Pheft, I would have to agree with the poster you responded to, AND with you as well.

Here's why.

Surely you can take a healthy realistic approach to money and say it isn't "everything" to YOU PERSONALLY.

That does little to change the cultural value placed on monetary and material riches, in which they are valued MUCH higher than things which are ethereal and/or cannot be reduced to a "market value."
post #111 of 111
The cost of skiing and some priviliged ski tickets in NA could be of no concern for me but I still have two comments.

A priviliged day ticket with the right to bypass the liftline was an experiment in one of the Czech resorts in the early 90s. It only survived one season but I don´t know any details nor why it was discontinued.

I have a new article about some Swiss study considering such tickets. Again, no details nor a link if there is any.

It´s just to say that such a privilige is probably not an American invention, or at least that USA/Canada are not the only countries thinking that way.
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