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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
So ... what kind of boots is Hermann Maier using now?

http://www.zoom-agence.fr/gallery/al...vmx-02-076.jpg

Anyway, they seem to be working.
post #2 of 23
That looks like the shelf race boot...he probably has them up there for promotional purposes, but most likely doesn't wear those.
post #3 of 23
That is the Race VIP. It is a Tritech construction boot similar to the regular retail version, but with a lower volume last. He used those boots (Antoine Deneriaz used the same model last season) in his DH and SG winning runs. If he was holding the real production Tri Tech he would have the current season T11 or the next season's M11. Herman Maier is not under contract to use Atomic boots. He gets what he needs, but does not get any more incentives by holding them on the podium.

http://www.zoom-agence.fr/gallery/al...md-02-0065.jpg

In this photo you can make out the red on the instep, and the white on the inside ankle which the RaceTec does not have.

http://www.zoom-agence.fr/gallery/al...md-02-0043.jpg
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
Very neatly chosen pair of photos ... I wouldn't have noticed the difference in Maier's boots without the matching Rahlves photo, but when you look at them next to each other, it's obvious.

Another small note, from a recent Eurosport article:

"Maier said that the new boots he is testing for next season helped him in Kvitfjell, the course designed for the 1994 Lillehammer Olympics."
post #5 of 23
I use the Race VIP Medium Flex as my everyday ski boot. The Racetech is my race boot. Though comfortable to wear all day, my Racetech is too stiff for all mountain use. I have the Hard flex (B/B in the World Cup nomenclature) which is freaking stiff. It is fine when I'm on firm and harder snow, skiing dynamic turns. Casual powder skiing is too tiring in them and bumps... oh gawd. I will be ordering a Medium next year to make it more everyday skiable. I allready have a substantial ski quiver, so I might as well create an Imelda Marcos boot collection to complement it.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Betaracer
I allready have a substantial ski quiver, so I might as well create an Imelda Marcos boot collection to complement it.
post #7 of 23

Daddy needs a new pair of shoes

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Originally Posted by Betaracer
I use the Race VIP Medium Flex as my everyday ski boot. The Racetech is my race boot...
Questions for you Imelda, er Betaracer ... I have a pair of older Race 10:50 (red & gray) with Foam liners and they are getting to the point where I'll need to replace them soon. I find the 10:50's to be a very well rounded boot - good everywhere (gates, big mountain, etc). They aren't overly stiff, but certainly not whimpy either.

I've heard the newer retail (white) Atomics are softer than my older 10:50's. Is this true? How does the older Race 10:50 compare to both of these newer boots you have? (both in terms of fit and stifness).

I used Nordica Grand Prix plug boots (liked the "medium" best, which wasn't medium at all) for well over 12 years, but finally had to give them up as I couldn't squash my size 13 foot into the largest plug shell any longer ... so I'm no stranger to stiff plugs.

I wouldn't want to go any softer, but also wouldn't want to go too far to the stiff end either. Do you happen to know what is the largest plug boot shell they make?

Thanks for any info you can provide.
post #8 of 23
Racetec WC, TI, CS 22-29 in full sizes
RaceVIP 23-28
M11Race 23-30.5 in 1/2 sizes

The Race 10.50 is now the M11Race. The newest version has a better liner, better buckles, better cuff cants, better rear stiffener. Flex and fit is identical.

The Race VIP is very similar, but is tighter becaus eof the thicker plastic. The Racetec is Tight!!!.
post #9 of 23
Wow, Betaracer! Are you sure you need a stiffer boot than Hermann is using!? Does Hermann use the race tech for GS? I know generally speaking boots used for DH are softer flexing than those used for slalom and GS.
post #10 of 23
BetaRacer - thanks for the info.

So contrary to what I've heard the M11Race is not softer than the Race 10.50 ?

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Originally Posted by Betaracer
The Racetec is Tight!!!.
Have you ever had the "real" Grand Prix on your foot? Those weren't too roomy by any measure either ...

So I guess the question for me is do I want to replace what I have with a newer version of the same boot (possibly softer?), or go back to working all of the time on a pair of plugs (RaceTec) ... which I kind of miss in a demented sort of way.

What are the designations on the RaceTec? You mentioned B/B, Hard, medium etc ... And what do the Ti (assuming titanium) and CS stand for?

Sorry for the barage of questions, but I don't know much about Atomic boots ... other than I like them.
post #11 of 23
I had the black with lime green buckle version of the Grand Prix in a soft fflex. Holy crap that thing didn't flex, a bit in part because the lack of pivots. At least my H Racetec does flex, but it takes firm snow and effort. There is no titanium on the TI so it doesn't stand for that. I have no idea what the moniker refers to, nor the CS. Eventually I'll find out.

The WC Racetec has A B C D E F flexes, one for cuff, one for shell. At the elite level (and for some unknown reason, me) these versions can be configured to the athlete's desired combination. I got what they sent, which was all that was in stock. Ideally, an M flex would have been just fine enough. A is hardest, F is softest. For FIS racers, the flex designations are XS S M. The H has been done with, since only a moron (me) would even consider using them. I have access to some of the best bootfitters for no charge. I probably have about 8 hours of actual fit work (not including the looking and head scratching time) on my Racetec. If you can afford the time, it could be worth it becasue the performance is outstanding. The XS flex Racetec equals the retail M11Race. S is a fair bit stiffer, and M is quite stiff, but nowhere near the retarded H.
post #12 of 23
Thanks again Betaracer ... I think I want to check out a pair of S Racetech, or possibly some M's, but I don't feel the need to go over the top stiff these days since I don't spen ALL of my time in the gates any more.

I started with the GP's when they were red with black buckles (Pirmin Zurbriggen version) and went through all of the colors - Black, Maroon, and still have my ugly green ones. I always had the "Medium" stiffness, which were not so medium.

Luckily I have a shop-rat / boot-fitting background ... and lots of hours logged working on my own boots. On one hand it was great becuase I knew exactly what I needed to do to make them work. On the other hand I was ALWAYS working on them ("I have an awesome set of tools").

The fact that the Racetech comes in a 29 should mean less work for me ...

Thanks again
post #13 of 23
My friend has the XS Racetech and I noticed that it only came with one of the two rivets placed in the back. Is the S simply an XS with both rivets in, or is ther a difference in construction as well?
post #14 of 23
Stiffness is from different materials. Same moulds. A second bolt can be used to add a touch more stiffness.
post #15 of 23
How much stiffer than the S is the M flex? The reason I ask is because I am trying to get my hands on a pair of RaceTechs but Atomic Canada only has M left in my size. I have no way to try them on...if the shop orders them, I'm stuck...

Just to compare, other stiff plug boots I've had on my feet are Dobie 150s and Rossi ZBs. How would the M flex compare to those?
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by D(C)
How much stiffer than the S is the M flex? The reason I ask is because I am trying to get my hands on a pair of RaceTechs but Atomic Canada only has M left in my size. I have no way to try them on...if the shop orders them, I'm stuck...

Just to compare, other stiff plug boots I've had on my feet are Dobie 150s and Rossi ZBs. How would the M flex compare to those?
I weigh 155lbs. and the RT i tried was last year's S. It was stiff/very stiff.

I also saw some M's but did not bother to try them

I do not think you should get the M unless you will use it for racing only (and if you weigh 200lbs+).

I am not surprised the M's were left in many sizes. Most people do not buy them.

Jamie
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
I weigh 155lbs. and the RT i tried was last year's S. It was stiff/very stiff.

I also saw some M's but did not bother to try them

I do not think you should get the M unless you will use it for racing only (and if you weigh 200lbs+).

I am not surprised the M's were left in many sizes. Most people do not buy them.

Jamie
I certainly do not weigh 200 lbs. but it will be mostly for racing. It looks like I'll get to try them on afterall, so we'll see... I have a feeling they will be quite rediculous...
post #18 of 23
I agree with ssywsyw's assertions about the mediums. I am 150 lbs and have the XS and they are fairly stiff, however the plastic is very temperature resistant. In the shop these are stiffer than Dobermann 150s, on the hill I am sure this is not the case. The mediums probably compare to the Dobermann 160s (which I have not seen), perhaps stiffer - putting all of my weight on them by hand I can get them to flex maybe 3 millimeters at most, and on my first try I could not flex them at all. Also, the cuff does not move back and forth at all before engaging the lower in full contact, unlike the Dobermanns and Lange plugs. They have a lot of spring and this only increases with cold.

You are right, the M's are ridiculous. If I weighed 50 pounds more, worked out a lot, and race trained 3-4 days a week or more, then the Mediums would probably be good to have. Again, with the temp-resistant plastic it is a little hard to tell, at single-digit F temperatures my XS's are a bit stiffer, and are certainly much harder to get on and off on any day once they are exposed, but I hear that Nordicas and regular Langes are fairly sensitive. You would have to be pretty strong just to get into the Mediums in the first place if they fit properly.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by D(C)
I certainly do not weigh 200 lbs. but it will be mostly for racing. It looks like I'll get to try them on afterall, so we'll see... I have a feeling they will be quite rediculous...
They are rediculously stiff!

That's why you can probably get them at a very good price.

Jamie
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Wassnowboarder
I agree with ssywsyw's assertions about the mediums. I am 150 lbs and have the XS and they are fairly stiff, however the plastic is very temperature resistant. In the shop these are stiffer than Dobermann 150s, on the hill I am sure this is not the case. The mediums probably compare to the Dobermann 160s (which I have not seen), perhaps stiffer - putting all of my weight on them by hand I can get them to flex maybe 3 millimeters at most, and on my first try I could not flex them at all. Also, the cuff does not move back and forth at all before engaging the lower in full contact, unlike the Dobermanns and Lange plugs. They have a lot of spring and this only increases with cold.

You are right, the M's are ridiculous. If I weighed 50 pounds more, worked out a lot, and race trained 3-4 days a week or more, then the Mediums would probably be good to have. Again, with the temp-resistant plastic it is a little hard to tell, at single-digit F temperatures my XS's are a bit stiffer, and are certainly much harder to get on and off on any day once they are exposed, but I hear that Nordicas and regular Langes are fairly sensitive. You would have to be pretty strong just to get into the Mediums in the first place if they fit properly.
I had a few runs in the XS in about -12 celcius and they felt like jello, so much so that my quads started becoming tired from trying to stabilize myself. I felt like they weren't stiff enough to support my weight against the tongues, and I only weigh 165.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
Thanks again Betaracer ... I think I want to check out a pair of S Racetech, or possibly some M's, but I don't feel the need to go over the top stiff these days since I don't spen ALL of my time in the gates any more.

I started with the GP's when they were red with black buckles (Pirmin Zurbriggen version) and went through all of the colors - Black, Maroon, and still have my ugly green ones. I always had the "Medium" stiffness, which were not so medium.

Luckily I have a shop-rat / boot-fitting background ... and lots of hours logged working on my own boots. On one hand it was great becuase I knew exactly what I needed to do to make them work. On the other hand I was ALWAYS working on them ("I have an awesome set of tools").

The fact that the Racetech comes in a 29 should mean less work for me ...

Thanks again
The S is all the boot you need. the medium is ridiculous, the hard just plain insanity
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by D(C)
I had a few runs in the XS in about -12 celcius and they felt like jello, so much so that my quads started becoming tired from trying to stabilize myself. I felt like they weren't stiff enough to support my weight against the tongues, and I only weigh 165.
Get the soft.
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by D(C)
I had a few runs in the XS in about -12 celcius and they felt like jello, so much so that my quads started becoming tired from trying to stabilize myself. I felt like they weren't stiff enough to support my weight against the tongues, and I only weigh 165.
I noticed you said that you tried the Dobie WC 150. Well, the Atomic S and the Dobie WC 150 are almost the same flex out of the box. If you found the XS almost too soft, i would recommend the Soft. This is exactly what Atomicman and Wassnowboarder said.
If you find it stiff, you can always cut the lower.

Jamie
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