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post #1 of 23
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I see that ALs ski barn can get next years superspeeds - can anyone here get a pair as well ?
post #2 of 23
Officially, Volkl has 3 05/06 models available now: the AC4, Allstar, and ladies' 5 Star.

If Al's indeed does have an 05/06 Superspeed, or the Mantras mentioned in the other thread, it's my guess that the local rep unloaded his sample set to Al's. If true, this would mean that there is 1 pair of each model.

I highly doubt that Volkl is supplying an internet seller with quantity of 05/06 models that no other US dealer seems to be able to get. I'd be fairly pissed off if I was a Volkl shop.
post #3 of 23
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2006 Volkl Superspeed

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Originally Posted by troutman
Officially, Volkl has 3 05/06 models available now: the AC4, Allstar, and ladies' 5 Star.

If Al's indeed does have an 05/06 Superspeed, or the Mantras mentioned in the other thread, it's my guess that the local rep unloaded his sample set to Al's. If true, this would mean that there is 1 pair of each model.

I highly doubt that Volkl is supplying an internet seller with quantity of 05/06 models that no other US dealer seems to be able to get. I'd be fairly pissed off if I was a Volkl shop.
Well, I think he wants me to pay for them now and when they come in deliver them . He does not seem to have them on hand .
post #4 of 23
That's not surprising, Gator. I'm willing to bet that you won't see those skis until the snow melts on this season, but I could be wrong.
post #5 of 23
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2006 Volkl

well, I am looking at a pair of Nordica Hot Rods as well . I had a pair of the stockli laser cross Pros but they were just for groomers and I am starting to think the superspeeds might be the same way .
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Gator
well, I am looking at a pair of Nordica Hot Rods as well . I had a pair of the stockli laser cross Pros but they were just for groomers and I am starting to think the superspeeds might be the same way .
I think you're right on about the Supersports. A friend of mine hauls on the groomers with his, but 2 or 3 inches of fresh the other day and he's hitting the ground. Could be him though.

It was a good day to rent the mid fats....
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 

Volkls

Yes, the more I talk to people the more I think less of getting the superspeeds . I have been on them but the snow was not so good .
post #8 of 23

Stockli

Gator..... I just found out that next years Stormrider XL will be softened a bit. That should make it a more user friendly ski. If you want to complement your Cross than get the Snake for powder days.
post #9 of 23
The Nordica Top Fuels are sounding more and more like they are a similar construction and ride as the Stockli Stormrider XLs (this years model, which you are familiar with), but with more sidecut using the less forgiving race construction (sandwich). I've heard of people skiing the Superspeeds as an all-mountain ski, but it just doesn't seem to be what Volkl was intending for them. You might want to consider the '06 Volkl Allstar. Supposedly it is a lighter, slightly wider, more forgiving version of this year's 6-star.
post #10 of 23
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Nordica Skis

well, I would have loved to have owned next years superspeeds but I now have a pair of the Nordica Hot rods in a 178 and I think they will do the trick on and off the groomers .
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by troutman
Officially, Volkl has 3 05/06 models available now: the AC4, Allstar, and ladies' 5 Star.
There's more than that. There's also Mantra, Queen Attiva and I think AC3. Maybe more. I saw a pair of RaceTiger SLs in the ski bum race yesterday.
post #12 of 23

The Truth is Out There

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Originally Posted by epic
There's more than that. There's also Mantra, Queen Attiva and I think AC3. Maybe more. I saw a pair of RaceTiger SLs in the ski bum race yesterday.
Officially (I believe), Troutman's right. Only the AC4, Allstar and Ladies 5 Star are available right now through selected Volkl dealers.

Other 05-06 Volkl skis that are appearing are probably rep samples that are making their way into the marketplace.

Seek and ye shall find.

HB
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks
Seek and ye shall find.

HB
Indirectly, a previous post of mine may be responsible for the direction of this thread. I pursued the purchase of Volkl Mantras through several ski shops locally, Volkl reps and even investigated European retail channels, where these skis are available, but at a higher price. This is the first ski I have ever purchased sight unseen, and was willing to take the financial risk of buying beta; a risk reduced by the early demo reviews (thank you HB) and reputation of Volkl in general. I bought these successors to the V Explosiv with the specific intent of adding a wide ski, suitable for a variety of softer off-piste and BC conditions. They are now mounted with Fritschi Free Ride bindings and will be used for both AT and crossover off-piste resort skiing. I will try to provide an honest review of the skis after more time, conditions and terrain. I will say these skis are exceptionally light and based on limited time on the skis; seem well suited to my original intent. I can also say the 184 length was right for me.

Back to thread topic; having new, unreleased models in the hands of both pros, and a few avid general public skiers (i.e. the only ones that would even be aware of the ski and be willing to pursue it), seems like a positive step to expose the ski. This seems consistent with the intent of using the limited early releases to reps and pros to expose the ski and create some excitement for when the ski is released to the public. Difference is, as an outsider, I don't get a major price break, but as a retail buyer, I might have some perspectives and objectivity a pro with a representative relationship can not communicate. Also will have more time on the ski than the person that gets a short demo ride at a ski area demo event. Think of it like Consumer Reports who buys products to review long-term, and has no obligation to a manufacturer, rep or other interested party.

Since there seem to be folks on the forum who are in the sales and distribution channel, it would be interesting to hear your views. Does an early release to an outsider threaten, in some way, marketing or sales strategies, or other aspects of the representative /wholesale / retail chain? (Not my intent). Regardless of the fact I was able to purchase early, I agree with troutman, and do not think you will see a broad release of this ski until next fall. However, those willing to seek them out may well succeed.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Does an early release to an outsider threaten, in some way, marketing or sales strategies, or other aspects of the representative /wholesale / retail chain? (Not my intent).
Not really. Most of the "marketing" is complete by this time anyway. The dealer orders are (mostly) in, the catalogs printed, the ads conceptualized, the athlete photo shoots on the new gear complete, the new movies (TGR, etc) mostly complete, the magazine tests about 50% complete...

I suppose you could do some minimal damage if you acquired a new model, absolutely hated it, and decided to let epic, TGR, etc. know about it. But if it's only 1 guy, there's still plenty of other people on the board that have the attitude that "it's only one guy, and he might suck anyway."

The real headache is dealer rivalry. If one good dealer for Brand X sees his crosstown competition with a pair of 05/06 models for sale (that he can't get) the crap will inevitably hit the fan.

Ebay is a nightmare for US dealers on this issue. Since new models are released at different times in different countries, and Ebay is omnipresent, it can impact the sell-through of previous years models.
post #15 of 23
Actually, I think that positive response from early adopters is likely to do more to help sales (see "Purple Cow") than any possible negative consequences. At least if the reviews are good. If they're not, no amount of "great marketing" will help: you'll have a flop.
post #16 of 23
Well, so much for the previous theory of waiting till next fall. Al's Ski Barn is now selling these on the internet. Price is listed, although they only seem to have them in a 184.
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
well, I wish I could get an actual photo of next years superspeeds ? I might just sell my HOT rods before I ever get on them .
post #18 of 23
Gator, you're kidding, right? Given what I've heard, especially from skiing with bong when he was on them, the Hot Rods are at a whole different level than the Superspeeds.
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Different level in what way ? I assumed the superspeeds are a lot more stable but I could be wrong - those Hot rods do look pretty nice -
post #20 of 23
Well, Gator, talk with bong (PM him, or just meet him up in Summit and go skiing with him). However, that said, he absolutely raved about the Hot Rods. He has a pair of Fischer WC SCs and another pair that I don't remember (I haven't seen him on them), but he has already decided to pick up a pair of the Top Fuels when they are available to him.

Personally, I think that the Nordicas, in general, are a bit higher quality than current generation Volkl. But, YMMV.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
yes, I am on the fence with those superspeeds - but at worst I will just keep my Top fuels that are sitting in my closet .
post #22 of 23
Gator I have next years superspeed in a 182cm want em I gots em babe!!
post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 

Volkl Superspeeds

well, I need to see some pics man . If they are just like this years , there are some smoking deals on this years model right now ..hehe
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