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Viable replacement for K2 XP in 188 length?

post #1 of 18
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Hi,
I've seen some of the ski reviews on the forum for 2005 and 2006 skis and am very interested in getting some feedback on a viable replacement for my current skis in terms of finding something that will provide a comparable or better performance. My current skis are rapidly approaching end of life (i.e. cracked edges).

I'm been skiing on K2 XPs in 188cm for the last 3 seasons and love them. They are the best skis I've ever skied by far. Unfortunately with the new K2 Recons as many are aware, K2 decided not to make anything longer than a 181cm. I skied these and found it was just not the same ride for me due to the 7cm shorter. I'm 6"3" and 200 lbs and a very aggressive skier that enjoys powder, steeps and trees as my favorite terrain (i.e. some of my favorite areas are Highlands Bowl and Hanging Valley in the Aspen Areas). However, many weekends I keeping my legs in shape by skiing Mary Jane as I love the bumps too! The XPs do it all for me and well.

Any suggestions on what I might try that will provide similar performance? I've skied many of the 2005 midfats out there and have been disappointed thus far(haven't tried any of the Fischers or Heads though). I've also heard Salomon is coming out with some new stuff in 2006 so maybe that may offer something. I used to ski the Salomon Super Mountain for several years in a 194cm and loved that ski as well....
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by reterwilliger
Hi,
I've seen some of the ski reviews on the forum for 2005 and 2006 skis and am very interested in getting some feedback on a viable replacement for my current skis in terms of finding something that will provide a comparable or better performance. My current skis are rapidly approaching end of life (i.e. cracked edges).

I'm been skiing on K2 XPs in 188cm for the last 3 seasons and love them. They are the best skis I've ever skied by far. Unfortunately with the new K2 Recons as many are aware, K2 decided not to make anything longer than a 181cm. I skied these and found it was just not the same ride for me due to the 7cm shorter. I'm 6"3" and 200 lbs and a very aggressive skier that enjoys powder, steeps and trees as my favorite terrain (i.e. some of my favorite areas are Highlands Bowl and Hanging Valley in the Aspen Areas). However, many weekends I keeping my legs in shape by skiing Mary Jane as I love the bumps too! The XPs do it all for me and well.

Any suggestions on what I might try that will provide similar performance? I've skied many of the 2005 midfats out there and have been disappointed thus far(haven't tried any of the Fischers or Heads though). I've also heard Salomon is coming out with some new stuff in 2006 so maybe that may offer something. I used to ski the Salomon Super Mountain for several years in a 194cm and loved that ski as well....
ebay.

My wife is looking for a pair of 167 XP's or Recons. There have been several XP's in the longer lengths over the last month or so, most of them new in the plastic.

If you're in no big hurry to replace and you can wait until something shows up, just watch ebay.

Bob
post #3 of 18
I see longer xp's on ebay all the time, keep looking there....most mortals can't handle the length and dump em( I sure wouldn't want em, got a pair of mint 1998 Volkl carver plus collecting dust at 191cm, I am down to 178 volkl p40 platinum now...)....I also see a lot of long (193) xplorers and x15's earlier stuff for sure but not junk if the price is right....I often see those on ebay as brand new leftovers.....good spring skiis for you as well...keep the xp's mint if you find another pair.....
post #4 of 18
I'd bet that if you spent a week skiing the Recon 181s, you'd never miss the longer XPs again.

I enjoyed the heck out of the XP in a 174 (I'm a short, but heavy fella) after having spent 150-175 days on some 181 Mod X Pros, which I had considered the best K2 ever. So with another 150 or so days on the XPs, I decided to pick up some Recons. On a lark, I went to the 167s. First couple of days, I wondered whether I'd made a mistake, but now that I've been on them for a couple weeks, I really feel solid on the shorter length. And they're just that much easier for an old fart to manipulate.
post #5 of 18
[quote=Kneale Brownson]I'd bet that if you spent a week skiing the Recon 181s, you'd never miss the longer XPs again.

He's right of course.....K2 wouldn't dump on their fans in the powder....if the recon needed a 188, they would build it.....I would run with the recons for a week at 181.....you'll be smiling more.....I also see a lot of 181 xp's/ mod pros on ebay too/ if the price is right swap the bindings off your beaters and give it a try......I was the ultimate short skiis sxxx guy...no more....and I am 6' 190....though not as lucky to live in the pow pow like you....btw, one of my rocky mtn buddies was raving about the head monstor last year....can't recall which model....
post #6 of 18
ebay news flash, found a pair of 188 mod x pros perfect feedback ebayer it no 7137739746 w Mkr 1200's says they are near new....and crrnt at $73 - might wanna jump on em if you are unwavering on the 188
post #7 of 18
I mostly ski Mary Jane on a pair of 174cm XPs (I am lighter). Although I love this ski I bought some new Dynastar 8000s this year in a 172. Dynastar also has a 188 that would be similiar to your 188 XPs. I found the Dynastars to be quicker in trees and bumps and have a more precise feel. I prefer it for skiing at Mary Jane. You should definitely try them first. They have a very light quick feel that some don't like, especially heavier skiers. I skied both the XP and the 8000 last Sunday in bumps and trees to get a good comparison.
post #8 of 18
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Question on Recons: with or with marker binding system

Good input on potentials for what I might try as a replacement for my XPs. I haven't tried the dynastar 8000 but did try the 8800. I find the 8800 to be a good big mountain ski but it was work to make it turn quick in the bumps. However, given the 8000 is narrower under foot. I think it merits a try.

That said though, my real question is for those that recommend my going back and giving the Recon another try. Actually, I had thought of that and have the following question. My initial try on the Recons was with the new optional marker binding system which is supposed to give the ski more flex (assume this is the case, this is what may have made me feel I need the longer ski for stability). It also raises you quite a bit off the ski. Another trait that I don't like about that marker system is the significant weight it adds to the ski. On my XPs now, I have the Salomon Ti 912 with no riser system which I really like. I was wondering if I should try the Recons again without that marker system as maybe I would find the ski feels different. Is this just wishful thinking or is this a possibility? Appreciate your thoughts here....
post #9 of 18
I'm not a big fan of "systems" or marker bindings. I have my Xp's mountaed with Looks and really like the that combo. I'm sure if you found a 181 out there in the recon or xp you would be ok with that size ski. I droped from a 181 to the 174 and didn't lose anything in the way of stability.
post #10 of 18
At 5'10'' 160 lbs I've skied the K2 XP quite a bit. Since they are my son's skis I went looking for something similar with maybe a little more oomph. I tried the Elan m666 fusion in a 176 which proved to be a little long .The tails were a little heavy in the steeps. On the other hand the 168 was perfect. Not much loss of stability and a lot more versatility .That being said it would seem you should try the Elan in both a 176 and 184. I think they ski much longer than the XP. By the way the Elans are not as user friendly as the XPs but the extra input is returned in spades... they really hold a nice turn.
post #11 of 18
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Dynastar 8000 as replacement for K2 XP 188cm

Thanks for all the feedback on this subject to date. In looking back through the forum and reading about those that have skied the XP, Recon and Dynastar 8000, I've reached the conclusion that the 8000 is definitely a ski I should look very closely at especially given it comes in a 184cm. My only concern is there is a some amount of feedback that indicates given I'm 6'3", 200 lbs and a very aggressive skier that this may not be enough ski for me. Of course, I do plan to demo first as I've been down this road before but just curious if there are any others out there that fit my description in terms of size and weight that might offer some insight on the 8000 and what I might expect? I certainly recognize no one ski is perfect for all situations but again I'm looking for a ski that handles the bumps and off piste well. I also like a the rebound I get out of the K2 XP in the 188 length and hoping the 8000 might offer a similar feel....
post #12 of 18
reterwilliger

As much as I like the 8000, my guess is that based on what I've read here you won't like the 8000. I ski it in a 184cm and am 6'4" & 250. I know it will be plenty of ski for you, but it feels nothing like the XP, IMO. To me this ski is just as stable, has a more lively rebound, is quicker edge to edge, and has better edge grip than the XP/Recon, but they feel entirely different due to the how damp the XP/Recon is on the snow. My recommendation, since you love the XP, would be to try Volkl's 724 pro in a 184. Of all the skis I've tried in this class, the pro is most like the XP in terms of feel. I demoed all 3 of these skis many times before I bought and the energy and feedback the 8000 provided was the deciding factor for me. They're all pretty close otherwise.
post #13 of 18
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Thanks for the feedback Coach! Just curious have you tried the dynastar 8800 too? I actually though that was nice ski except it was a lot of work to make it turn in the bumps. If the feel of the 8000 is similar, I think I need to give it a try assuming it is easier turning in the bumps and quicker than the 8800 which I'm sure it must be. I attributed the characteristics of the 8800 to the fact that it has less side cut and is wider under foot.

I have skied the Volkl 724 Pro and found it to be similar to other volkls I've skied (i.e. G3) which is the sweat spot is small which I don't like.
post #14 of 18
I have skied the 8800, and in fact just purchased a pair in 188cm last week. I skied my 8800 for the first time 2 days ago. I demoed the 8800 when I demoed the 8000. I love them both, but for different reasons as they're completely different animals. The 8800 is a soft snow, crud busting big turn cruiser that does a decent job on hard pack. It's a little cumbersome though in shorter turns at least in the 188cm length. It's a great performer that's easy to ski and has a big sweet spot with lots of energy, just like the 8000 but that's where the similarities end, IMO. The 8000 can make any size turn you can make, with ease and quickness. Don't draw an opinion of the 8000 based on your experience with the 8800. Like I said, 2 different animals all together. Hope this helps.
post #15 of 18
If you like bumps and trees the 8000 will be quicker than the 724 or the XP (Recon). I found the 724 (177cm) to be more of an open bowl type of ski. That is why I ended up with the XP (174cm) and 8000 (172cm). The XP has a quick but damp feel. The 8000 has a light and even quicker feel. The 724 seemed to favor long turns and open terrain when I demoed it. Keep in mind that I weigh 165lbs and that may make a difference even though I was skiing shorter lengths. I just bought 178cm 8800s to round out my quiver as a powder/crud ski for more open terrain (now I need to buy my wife a new snowboard for her quiver).
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input! I agree 100% with your assessment of the 8800 and 724 Pros. I personally found the 8800 have a big sweat spot compared to the 724 Pro. I do plan to try the 8000's this weekend to see what I think. The thing I really like in a ski is one that springs me into the next turn. That's what I like about the XP (at least in the 188, didn't get the same sensation out of the 181 Recon, it felt more dead) and further back with the Salomon Super Mountain especially when skied fast throw soft snow. I'll post my thoughts next week after demo-ing this weekend at either Mary Jane or possibly Beaver Creek.

On a different note, I've learned that K2 has a new Recon coming out next year called the Outlaw. It's wider and is available as long as a 188cm. I suspect though this will be a ski that is only viable in the bumps for soft snow as it's dimensions are similar to the Atomic Metron M: EX. BTW I also tried the M:EX and was suprised how easy it turns for a wide, heavy ski. I would consider buying it for powder days but I found it was too stiff for everyday skiing in the bumps in firmer packed powder conditions.
post #17 of 18
I think highly of the 8000-it would compare favorably to the Recon, and feels more "refined" with horsepower to spare. Smooth, but not as "ground-hugging" as the Recon. On the Recon, I feel that I can find the speed limit pretty quick in chopped-up snow. It is true that the Outlaw from K2 next year will be their top-end ski: the K2 rep commented to me that the Recon wasn't really an expert level ski and that K2 wanted something beefier in the line.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
To finally close this thread out, I demo'd the Dynastar 8000 this weekend at Mary Jane in a 178cm. Bottom line, the more I skied this ski the more I liked it. The conditions were firm packed powder this weekend in the bumps in most areas and very fast. This ski ripped for me and was very quick. I can honestly say this is the first ski that I've skied in a short length that didn't feel too short. I like this ski at least as much as my XP and maybe more (to be determined when I ski them in soft snow and powder where I suspect they will perform even better). I am going to buy this ski as I can pick it up on eBay on sale for a little over $400. I plan to buy the 184cm though as I believe it will be a better ski for me all around (i.e. the longer length providing better float for powder days and skiing off piste but I suspect still quick in the bumps than my XPs in a 188cm). Thanks for all the feedback here! One last comment, I would have tried this ski long ago but was deeply mislead by the Ski Magazine comment about this ski not being enough ski for aggressive skiers. Not true at least in my book!
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