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Which Supersport Should I Buy?

post #1 of 18
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I am a 34 years old, 5'9/165 beginner/intermediate skier – I can make parallel turns comfortably on blue squares at northeastern spots like Killington; and occasionally wander onto the easier black diamonds, so far without killing myself. In fact, this is my first s season skiing, but I have been playing hockey since I was 5, which gives me the confidence/hope/illusion that my skiing will improve quickly.

Now I am trying to decide what skis to buy. Instead of buying a pair of beginner’s skis, I am tempted to buy something more serious, something that I can grow with. The local ski store (in Armonk, NY) recommends the Volkl 4/5 Star at 168. I have read on the forum that one should consider the Volkl Supersport skis at shorter-than-normal lengths. Should I get the 168 or the 161?

Many thanks!
post #2 of 18
you should demo first,there are plenty of places around killington-
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by headskiman
you should demo first,there are plenty of places around killington-
Indeed. But I'm still curious, which length in theory is a better fit for someone of my size (5'9/165)?
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by ciel

Now I am trying to decide what skis to buy. Instead of buying a pair of beginner’s skis, I am tempted to buy something more serious, something that I can grow with. The local ski store (in Armonk, NY) recommends the Volkl 4/5 Star at 168. I have read on the forum that one should consider the Volkl Supersport skis at shorter-than-normal lengths. Should I get the 168 or the 161?

Many thanks!
The 4/5 star isn't a bad suggestion. If money isn't an issue and you plan on improving I think buying slightly "more" ski is a fine idea. Anything more than 5 star will be just plain too much so don't let anyone sell you into the 6 star. I think at your size the 161 or 168 would both be acceptable options. Demo some if you can, that is really the only way to tell... Also, what are they selling the 5 stars for down in Armonk? I would have to guess it is more than in other areas. You can get them at shops Upstate for sub $550, so if the price isn't right down there I would consider buying some on the way up to Vermont next time you go.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by kestner9
The 4/5 star isn't a bad suggestion. If money isn't an issue and you plan on improving I think buying slightly "more" ski is a fine idea. Anything more than 5 star will be just plain too much so don't let anyone sell you into the 6 star. I think at your size the 161 or 168 would both be acceptable options. Demo some if you can, that is really the only way to tell... Also, what are they selling the 5 stars for down in Armonk? I would have to guess it is more than in other areas. You can get them at shops Upstate for sub $550, so if the price isn't right down there I would consider buying some on the way up to Vermont next time you go.
Thanks much for the info! The 5 stars are on sale here for 750! Where in upstate can I get them for 550?
post #6 of 18
ciel - That you make parallel turns says little about your ability because keeping your skis parallel is not a popular goal anymore. Carving turns like you do on ice skates is a much better goal because it is a lot more fun and gives you more control. While your skis are parallel you can turn by carving or turn by skidding.

Being a good ice skater will really help you to improve fast if you try to achieve the same non-skid edge grip while skiing as you get while skating. If you are carving turns already and want to ski faster, get higher performance skis. If you are not carving turns yet, it would be easier to learn to carve on softer and less high performance skis like the 4 stars.

What are you skiing on now?

dt
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by ciel
Thanks much for the info! The 5 stars are on sale here for 750! Where in upstate can I get them for 550?
Sports Page in Glens Falls.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by dtraub1
ciel - That you make parallel turns says little about your ability because keeping your skis parallel is not a popular goal anymore. Carving turns like you do on ice skates is a much better goal because it is a lot more fun and gives you more control. While your skis are parallel you can turn by carving or turn by skidding.

Being a good ice skater will really help you to improve fast if you try to achieve the same non-skid edge grip while skiing as you get while skating. If you are carving turns already and want to ski faster, get higher performance skis. If you are not carving turns yet, it would be easier to learn to carve on softer and less high performance skis like the 4 stars.

What are you skiing on now?

dt
So far I have been skiing on whatever the rental places give me.
post #9 of 18
I think dtraub's thoughts are good ones. Adding my two cents, Ciel, based on your comments I'd go with the 5 Star at 168. As you get better, the 161 will likely be too short to be anything but a change of pace fun ski or a speciality bumps and trees ski. Since it sounds like you are learning to carve in open terrain (not moguls or glades), I would go with a ski that you can grow into. I also played hockey and skated regularly as a young child. Your learning curve will likely be faster than most. I think 161 is too short. The 5 star accomodates a wide range of skier abilities from basic intermediates to advanced and sounds like the right choice for you. If you weighed 140 lbs or less, then maybe the 4 Star would be a better fit. Too many people make the mistake of making a ski choice based on ski abilities and don't take their weight into account, which is as important.

Like headskiman said, demo before buying any choice. Skis are like cars. Not everyone likes driving a SUV, not everyone likes driving a 2 seat sports car. Don't go by the ski magazine recommendations. The demo center at Ramshead Lodge at Killington has a great selection of top, high-end choices. Beware, most of their demo staff are pretty unknowledgable.
post #10 of 18
Given your hockey background you ought to buy for your skiing potential, not current ability. Forget the 4 star. High performance skis are more fun. You know how to carve already on your skates - just do it downhill, and remember, no checking! I'm your height and a few pounds heavier and based on experience with other skis would definitely prefer the 168 over the 161.

You might want to give your local shop a chance to match the price from upstate. If it's the shop in Armonk ... they provide really good service. If they offer free tuneups or other service over the life of the ski, take that into account. I've saved a lot of money up front on skis that I buy on eBay or other mail order, only to drop lots of cash to mount the bindings and keep them tuned and do yearly binding checks.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by ts01
Given your hockey background you ought to buy for your skiing potential, not current ability. Forget the 4 star. High performance skis are more fun. You know how to carve already on your skates - just do it downhill, and remember, no checking!
I have to admit that, depending on the condition, it's not entirely up to me at this point. But I'll try.

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Originally Posted by ts01
I'm your height and a few pounds heavier and based on experience with other skis would definitely prefer the 168 over the 161.
Great to hear the confirmation! From the posts I've read here, it seems most people asking similar questions are a lot taller/bigger than me - I used to believe my height/weight was not far from the mean of male homosapiens living in North America.
post #12 of 18
I'd say 5 star 168, if not you'll be shopping again in a year....but more importantly, demo demo demo.....and have fun! .......and don't forget ebay if you are short on cash......enjoy! I taught skiing for many years and my fastest learning students were hockey players....I also suggest you visit www.breakthroughonskis.com - Lito will shorten the learning curve for you big time the info there and the videos he sells are amazing.....and the killington ski school is fabulous too/ pay them a visit frequently.....then spend a lot of time on Rime under the lift showing off once you get your new rig and really start rolling em over!!!
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Swan
The demo center at Ramshead Lodge at Killington has a great selection of top, high-end choices. Beware, most of their demo staff are pretty unknowledgable.
The Double Diamond repair/demo shop at SNOWSHED Lodge at Killington is staffed by wicked knowledgable pros. There is no demo center at Ramshead. There is also a demo yurt by the K1 gondola.
post #14 of 18
No five star for a beginner/intermediate. Seriously! Even the four star is a bit much. Take it down a notch.
post #15 of 18
Re: size. Beginner/intermediate - go short and good side cut. If you want to improve get the right ski. The five star is a great ski but it won't likely help you at that level.

The lower end skis are a great deal right now. Buy a pair and upgrade when its time and you know more about what you are buying.
post #16 of 18
I'm with Paul. You could ski 5 Stars and enjoy them but they are too stiff to carve turns without good technique. 4 Stars will reward you with nice fun smooth turns if you get close to good technique. Good technique can evolve much faster with softer skis. Good technique might never happen with stiffer skis. If you plan to take a lot of lessons, get 5 stars. If not, get 4 Stars.

dt
post #17 of 18
Hickory and Tweed are known for great service at a great price. If it is 5 stars (or 4 stars) you want, I would look for sales now. Look at Princeton, Pedigree, Ski Hause in Brewster. All give good service and are local to you. $200.00 off from e-bay pays for alot of tune ups and mounting, something to consider.

-Scott
post #18 of 18
Denyadog is correct. I knew right after I sent it, that the DD Demo center at Killington is at Snowshed Lodge, not Ramshead. I usually park at Ramshead (to avoid the $20 valet parking at Snowshed) and walk under the bridge if I have to get to Snowshed Lodge. From first hand experience, the service at the shop are spotty at best. Four of the past five weekends, friends in my group got demos there. Just this past weekend, my 5'10" Level 4/5 friend was given a 175 cm Volkl Superspeed for the day. For some reason, he had trouble with them on the beginner trails he was on. I had to cut into my ski day to accompany him back to the shop mid-day.

The best advice to Ciel is to demo and find the best choice for him. My guess is he will like the 5 Star over the 4 Star. He is already skiing some single blacks. IMO, one of the best attributes of the 5 Star is that it accomodates a wide range of abilities and yes that includes intermediates.
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