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Head, shoulders, knees and toes... Photo Analysis

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I'm taking a risk with my first post being a humble request to slam my posture in this photo. I was not in much of a groove and was just hoping to get some idea of what is going on. This was the end of a turn which never went into the next turn, I stopped to ask my daughter to take another one

Oh well. Have at it and let me know.

SnoSkier


post #2 of 19
Welcome to Epic, SnoSkier.

No complaints from me. That's a nice-looking track behind you.

My only suggestion would be to add a bit of a smile to your face. Seems like it was a nice day.
Bob
post #3 of 19

A little back

I agree with Bob Peters, Snoskier. You look great. I am just now working on my MA skills, so I looked at it for several minutes trying to find a problem.

If you had a gun to my head to find something wrong, your hips might be a bit back coming into your transition zone. The slight rooster tail may be a tipoff. The only reason I mention it is that it is something I am working on myself. But, all in all, I would be happy to look like you in this pic.

Welcome to epic.

JoeB
post #4 of 19
Version 1
A nice turn. Many would be happy to ski like that. Period.

Version 2
A nice turn. Many would be happy to ski like that. Since you already CAN, you probably want to hear more than just praise (which I cleverly offered).
I like the way you bring your left knee inside. That´s really advanced modern technique.

OTOH, your right leg is not in a really strong position with the knee slightly inward. That´s probably some resentiment of older technique.
Single shots where the skier knows about the photographer and - maybe subconsciously - is looking at him/in his way are often misleading.

I would be satisfied with slightly less counter (hips, shoulders) especially when you don´t orientate your torso in the direction of the next turn (if you knew all the time you wouldn´t be making another turn - it might have been a last-moment decision)

We all know the disadvantages of analyzing one single shot - they all apply here. Some photo-based statements might get invalidated by a photo sequence or video.

Having devoted half of my writing to criticism doesn´t reflect the real praise/critique ratio you deserve.
post #5 of 19
Nice Pic. Nice turn..

Since you are ending your turn to stop. Nothing to say.

If you told me to find something to "fix" maybe getting that outside leg in a stronger position and maybe you should be starting to move into your new turn which you said wasn't happening anyway.

Single photo as stated before is not a good indication of what's going on but just to look at it, the shoulders and hands could be more "parallel" to the slope/feet/knees.

Oh yeah and the smile thing...

DC
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks to all for taking the time, greatly appreciated.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Peters
My only suggestion would be to add a bit of a smile to your face. Seems like it was a nice day.
It was a nice day, but I was rather busy and tried to fit some pics in for the first time. Basically I forgot!!! I'm not that serious trust me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeB
If you had a gun to my head to find something wrong, your hips might be a bit back coming into your transition zone. The slight rooster tail may be a tipoff. The only reason I mention it is that it is something I am working on myself....
Good point. People say I'm back sometimes and I work hard to feel shin contact. Thanks!

Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
OTOH, your right leg is not in a really strong position with the knee slightly inward. That´s probably some resentiment of older technique.
Single shots where the skier knows about the photographer and - maybe subconsciously - is looking at him/in his way are often misleading.

I would be satisfied with slightly less counter (hips, shoulders) especially when you don´t orientate your torso in the direction of the next turn (if you knew all the time you wouldn´t be making another turn - it might have been a last-moment decision)
Your right, I'm loooking for kind critiques

I'm having a problem with a strong outside leg. (Although the slope did fall away compared to where I started this turn, decreasing radius we say in motorcycling). To try and think/feel this right now, I stood up here at my desk I tride to simulate a better position. When I do that knee is always in a bit. Would you have a FEELING on the slope I can tune into for this??

Counter is the other area. I am ultimately trying to put together a nice set of transition photos I can work on. That transition point seems to be eluding me, at least in my mind some of the time.

Nice comments, thanks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dchan
Single photo as stated before is not a good indication of what's going on but just to look at it, the shoulders and hands could be more "parallel" to the slope/feet/knees.

Oh yeah and the smile thing...
Who me, happy skiing when I could be here at working thinking about it!!!


Nice point on the shoulders hands and slope/feet/knees. I was wondering what the take might be. I had a clinic a while back where basically this would be the quote:

Your hands should match the relationship of your kness to the slope. Both in counter and horizontal placement (at a loss for words). Using this concept my right hand s/b a tad lower as is my right knee as comparied to my left knee. Make sence?

Any option here!?

BTW I really like epicski and hope to contribute rather than just be contributed to.
post #7 of 19
Being a snapshot in time I would not worry so much about your hands (you could have been reaching for a pole touch, etc. But check the shoulders.


Try thinking about pinching someone's hand in between your rib cage and your hip. (in this particular picture).
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post #8 of 19
Because we can't see all the planes of your body, the counter comment would be based on your tip lead (which looks about right for the slope of the hill) If we did the same thing to your picture if it were taken from straight over head, the lines from the toes knees, hips, shoulders should etc should all be parallel. So if there is some tip lead from the uphill ski, the hands, shoulders, hips, knees, etc should also have about the same tip lead. (functional counter considering the pitch of the hill)

DC
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Cool, lets talks about that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dchan
Being a snapshot in time I would not worry so much about your hands (you could have been reaching for a pole touch, etc. But check the shoulders.


Try thinking about pinching someone's hand in between your rib cage and your hip. (in this particular picture).
So your thinking if I was more like the lines in red below? Thereby the shoulder angle kinda matches what you've drawn at the skis/knees/hips. Also giving us more angulation as shown in the pink to red contrast at the hip. Pink is current, red would be new angle. (I've not got great photo warz here at work). Am I right?

post #10 of 19
Yes.
post #11 of 19
A little key: Keep your hands where they are but angulate at the hip slightly more to make your hands level with whatever slope you're on.

A bit more pressure on the inside boot cuff might let you straighten the outside leg without so much turn in of the outside knee.

Still a great turn.

BTW, pbase (http://www.pbase.com ) lets you load and link to however many megs of photos you wish to buy at their very modest fees. I couldn't see your pix with red lines.
post #12 of 19
I have no comment on your skiing other than it looks like you're having fun.
But maybe you could tell us what this means?


"Bs nyy gur guvatf V'ir ybfg V zvff zl zvaq gur zbfg.
rot 13"
Welcome to the party.
post #13 of 19
KB.

Sorry you couldn't see his lines. He got your suggestion. here's his pic with green lines and new red and pink lines.

DC
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post #14 of 19
It's so cool how the ski bottoms, pants and jacket all had the same color scheme until it was messed up with all those yucky green and pink lines.
post #15 of 19

whtmt

Snoskier: Welcome. Maybe you could come back with a few more photos that show a better overall cross section of your skiing from a pictures angle viewpoint???? Keep up the great skiing.

whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillA
I have no comment on your skiing other than it looks like you're having fun.
But maybe you could tell us what this means?


"Bs nyy gur guvatf V'ir ybfg V zvff zl zvaq gur zbfg.
rot 13"
Welcome to the party.
I gave you a clue...
* rot 13

Always having fun
post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
A little key: Keep your hands where they are but angulate at the hip slightly more to make your hands level with whatever slope you're on.

A bit more pressure on the inside boot cuff might let you straighten the outside leg without so much turn in of the outside knee.

Still a great turn.

BTW, pbase (http://www.pbase.com ) lets you load and link to however many megs of photos you wish to buy at their very modest fees. I couldn't see your pix with red lines.
Thanks for the advice, it is really solidifying what I need to work on. Sorry about the pic (thanks dchan) I'm rather new and will have to figure out what the best way is to post photos and such.
post #18 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
Version 1
A nice turn. Many would be happy to ski like that. Period.

Version 2
A nice turn. Many would be happy to ski like that. Since you already CAN, you probably want to hear more than just praise (which I cleverly offered).
I like the way you bring your left knee inside. That´s really advanced modern technique.

OTOH, your right leg is not in a really strong position with the knee slightly inward. That´s probably some resentiment of older technique.
Single shots where the skier knows about the photographer and - maybe subconsciously - is looking at him/in his way are often misleading.

I would be satisfied with slightly less counter (hips, shoulders) especially when you don´t orientate your torso in the direction of the next turn (if you knew all the time you wouldn´t be making another turn - it might have been a last-moment decision)

We all know the disadvantages of analyzing one single shot - they all apply here. Some photo-based statements might get invalidated by a photo sequence or video.

Having devoted half of my writing to criticism doesn´t reflect the real praise/critique ratio you deserve.
Checkracer,

Great job at this MA even though it's a still. Your right on!-----------Wigs
post #19 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wigs
Checkracer,
Great job at this MA even though it's a still. Your right on!-----------Wigs
Thanks!
It´s not so easy in a foreign language but I´m trying my best.
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