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Anybody ever ski the Atlas Mtns, in Morroco?

post #1 of 22
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This week I had a gentleman from Morroco in my group. He had learned to ski in the Atlas Mtns, and claimed that there were a couple of reasonably sized areas there, just outside Marakesh.

It struck my fancy, having always wanted to visit Morroco. So I have already googled all the info I could find, and found some extra info via a french website.

My question- Have any Bears out there actually skied in Morroco themselves? I'd appreciate any first hand experiences that you might have had!
post #2 of 22
I remember a Warren Miller movie from the 80's where they skiied there. I think Tom Day was one of the skiers.
post #3 of 22
Pro Ski Guide Services tried to organize a trip a few years back that didn't happen. I sure would like to ski them, tick off Africa as another continent I've skied in
post #4 of 22
I want to do that also! I'm planning to visit Morocco in the fall, but man I would love to ski a place like that.
post #5 of 22
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Ba-Ba-Bump!
post #6 of 22
Just search on google Skiing Oukaimeden
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by bklyntrayc
I want to do that also! I'm planning to visit Morocco in the fall, but man I would love to ski a place like that.
What on earth does that mean - "a place like that"? A place like what???

Anyway, I've spent time in the Middle Atlas mountains, though not skiing.

Just two things: remember you're in an Islamic kingdom - so no shorts, no exposed arms, swearing, etc. The number of disrespectful tourists (mainly North Americans and Brits - sorry, but true) that don't know/care about that sort of thing is really amazing.
Second - be aware that if you injure yourself you won't necessarily have the same standard of health care as Canada, the US, Europe, or even England.

- oh, one other thing: if you're in the medinas (or anywhere really) in any of the big cities you're with don't leave any females in your group alone. Being sexually harrassed would be the least of her worries. No joke.
post #8 of 22
skied 'em.
Bout three years ago I did the bonafide worldwide ski-bum thing and I actually got some turns in on Qu'Mar (i think that's how it's spelled...one of the "resorts" out there.) Skied Iran too and THAT'S the SHIT!!! Morocco was alright. small, very steep, snow was not too deep but was soft. and the people are VERY xenophobic. the above post is very true...be careful if you are female and alone. It's like spring skiing in utah, but with even more crazy religious fundamentalists.
post #9 of 22
Interesting post. What is a medina?
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Talisman
Interesting post. What is a medina?
It's the ancient part of the city: narrow walkways, high walls, noisy and usually extremely crowded, lots of little shops and stalls, often shaded by overhead slats - which adds to the sensory overload.
The medina in Marrakech is pretty touristy now, but in Fes it is pretty hardcore. If you're claustrophobic at all, wait until it isn't busy, like around noon.
You'll likely go through Fes - you should stay there for a few days. It's medina is huge, and is a UNESCO's World Heritage site. If you know French it will help a lot.
Tangiers used to be an international free zone and is still very crazy. If you're not with family or women it would be a great stop.
The Moroccan people are great, but as with any place there are plenty of thieves and criminals, etc. Especially in Tangiers.
Tips:
Don't wear on packsack on your back in the cities (you'll likely find it much 'lighter' at the end of your day, even if you don't stop moving!)
Don't dress in khaki pants with button-down shirts. This is a particularly American look and will signal beggars and thieves that you're fair game. Why set yourself up.
And as I said before: no shorts, exposed arms, swearing, drunkeness, etc.
Medina, Fès-el-Bali:
post #11 of 22
I don't know what it is like now but when Iwent to Morocco over 20 years ago on an overland trip the women that were most in demand and worth the most camels were, how shall we say this.?...the larger (in every way!) ones. Being blond was worth an extra couple of camels.

Didn't sample the skiing but could see evidence of it when we drove through the Atlas mountains
post #12 of 22
I lived in Morroco as a young boy in the 1950's when my dad was stationed on a US Navy base near Rabat. Believe they had skiing way back then, although we didn't go. A few small resorts were built for the King's family, but also open to public, not that many Morrocans could afford it. Believe High Atlas go up over 12,000 feet. Climate a bit like New Mexico.
Skiing in Iran takes place at even higher elevations. They have mtns in Iran approaching 19k feet tall. Skiing goes up to around 13k feet.
post #13 of 22
A place like that meaning that there would be something more interesting to explore apres ski.

I've traveled in many islamic countries without men. My worst experience was in Turkey with guys around. Nutty people are everywhere so you just have to be aware. Western women are considered sluts in other countries. I wonder how we get that rep?:

Plus - I am worth a few extra camels, being larger than most. LOL!
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post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
- oh, one other thing: if you're in the medinas (or anywhere really) in any of the big cities you're with don't leave any females in your group alone. Being sexually harrassed would be the least of her worries. No joke.
So what do Muslim men do to Christian females when they are not escorted?
post #16 of 22
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SO- is anybody up for an adventure? Maybe 3-4 of us get together and plan a trip for next January or February? (Of course- we'd have to travel via Europe, and get a few days in there too!)
post #17 of 22
If the female is willing to wear a burkah or chador it is usually not a problem. Of course the bigger problem for us westerners is getting our females to put something like that on.

I have agood friend who works for our company who is berber (the people who live in the mountains are not arabs). I will see if I can get some inside skinny. Since this is north of the equator I am guessing the snow is going to be best during our own ski season.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by cjb
So what do Muslim men do to Christian females when they are not escorted?
It doesn't have anything to do with Muslim men. If you want men molesting women, visit southern Italy or Japan, not a Muslim country.

The problem - and it has nothing to do with Islam - is that unescorted women can disappear.

I'm not going to fill in the blanks with rumour, but I'll assure you that it does happen.
post #19 of 22
High probability of stomach illness from dodgy food.

Some of the inhabitants would sell their own grandmother. Tangiers is a well known port of call for deviants and child molesters.

Situation in Iraq will not exactly ensure an huge welcome if you are American or European.

The souks are not my idea of fun either. Traders are persistant to the point of being a fekkin nuisance.

Like a lot of countries, I would prefer to see the place on film rather than go there myself. But a hell of a lot safer than Algeria.....
post #20 of 22
Watch out for random acts of violence. I have heard of several stabbings - most were in the a$$! No kidding.
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by OldSchool
It doesn't have anything to do with Muslim men. If you want men molesting women, visit southern Italy or Japan, not a Muslim country.

The problem - and it has nothing to do with Islam - is that unescorted women can disappear.

I'm not going to fill in the blanks with rumour, but I'll assure you that it does happen.
Who said anything about molesting women. I simply asked what they do. Is it not a Muslim country?

Don't be so foolish to think that Muslim men don't treat their women poorly. They do.

I've been to Japan at least 25 times and southern Italy perhaps more. I don't think they have the problem you claim.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by cjb
Is it not a Muslim country?
Yes, it is.

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Don't be so foolish to think that Muslim men don't treat their women poorly. They do.
But that's not because the men are Muslim.

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I've been to Japan at least 25 times and southern Italy perhaps more. I don't think they have the problem you claim.
The problem in Japan isn't with foreign females but Japanese females, and the problem in southern Italy is with Italian and especially foreign females.
I can't account for your perception in either case - but I had a friend who lived in England for 3 years and swore there was no racism.
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