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2006 Lange RL 11 aka. Plug or WC 150

post #1 of 23
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Since I had not seen any info on this and the fact that this boot along with Atomics plug boot are ripping up the World Cup here is the scoop:

Comparing the Lange RL1 (current plug boot) to The RL11 aka. 150 World Cup


Lange has taken the RL1 (Plug Boot) the best and most respected boot in the race community and improved it to take boot technology to the next level. The differences are slight, although these differences have created a boot that will perform at the highest level and out perform all other manufacturers equivalent. Below you will notice some of these differences.

•What we kept from the original RL1 “plug” is the offset ankle hinges, the athletic stance, 3* of ramp angle and a snug heel pocket.

•Most importantly, we have given the forefoot 5% more width while retaining, an anatomical shape to the inside of the lower boot. This is significant, because, this should decrease the amount of grinding that is needed to obtain an optimal fit. This in turn will create a more consistent flex pattern. This also allows the foot to sit in the boot more comfortably.

•Some of the biggest improvements seen in the 150 WC are: The lower cuff comes up higher than the traditional “V” cut which creates more lateral stability. This would be a performance enhancer for a “Tech” skier, slalom or giant slalom. Lange has outlined the Traditional “V” cut in the mold of the plastic, so for those that require that type of flex from their boot, it can be attained. This would be good for Speed skiers, Super G and Downhill. You can trim the traditional “V” cut by cutting the outline with scissors.

•The toe box of the 150 WC has been enlarged, Lange has given more overall height to this area, so the toes are able to fit in easier, again there will be less customization to the boot.

•The 150 WC has an arched sole whereas the RL1 has a flat sole. The advantage of the arched sole is to provide more rebound from the boot to the ski and to conform to the arc of the turn when the skier has the ski on edge. The return is a very responsive feel under the foot, which allows the skier to feel the snow with more confidence.

•Both the RL1 and the 150 WC use the same cuffs and traditional “cant” assembly as well as the rear spoiler screw system, allowing the boot to retain its progressive flex pattern.

In conclusion, Lange has revolutionized boot technology by improving the greatest boot ever made, the RL1 and given us the 150 WC. This is a more responsive boot that has the capability of delivering performance for all types of skiers.

coup
post #2 of 23

great news

Coup, do you know if Rossi will change the R2004? (after all it is the sister boot) I am asking because i can get the R2004 (2006 model) if i want but not the Lange.
Btw, what can you tell me about the flexes? I assume one of them is going to be 150.
thanks
post #3 of 23
DOn't mean to hijack the thread, but do you know where I can get dsome info on the Atomic plug ?
post #4 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Coup, do you know if Rossi will change the R2004? (after all it is the sister boot) I am asking because i can get the R2004 (2006 model) if i want but not the Lange.
Btw, what can you tell me about the flexes? I assume one of them is going to be 150.thanks
I have heard somewhere that the current Rossi plug is precisely Lange, even bearing the "Lange" somewhere (the cuff? the velcro?).
I have seen the (probably) new Lange at the Munich ISPO show but not the Rossi plug.
The Swiss Rossi promoter will have some meeting very soon where he will get lots of info. I will send him some questions concerning these boots.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by checkracer
I have heard somewhere that the current Rossi plug is precisely Lange, even bearing the "Lange" somewhere (the cuff? the velcro?).
I have seen the (probably) new Lange at the Munich ISPO show but not the Rossi plug.
The Swiss Rossi promoter will have some meeting very soon where he will get lots of info. I will send him some questions concerning these boots.
Thanks Checkracer. I need to know what to do. Until now, the main problem with these boots was the fact that they were too narrow in the forefoot. But now it seems that it has been taken care of it. This is a construction close to the one of the Atomic Race Tech: very tight in the ankle and heel with more space in the forefoot. This is great because it will require less grinding.
I can get the 2006 plug model if i want but first i have to be sure that it is the new model.
post #6 of 23
IMO, the most important change for a true Worldcup boot should concern the lower shell. The Dobermanns and other new race boots are narrower at the bottom with the widest spot higher off the ground, thus, as we know, enabling higher edge angles and reducing the risk of boot-outs (which we, mere mortals, probably don´t suffer from).
This was one of the worst handicaps the older Lange/Rossi construction had compared to the Dobie/Racetech.
The higher lower cuff (just compare the RaceTech and the position of the cuff hinges) is probably the next one.
If the boot I have seen in Munich really was the new one the changes are minor, especially if you look at it not knowing the inside details.
post #7 of 23
You can get any of those boots plus the nordicas from PJ , racestocksoprts.com
As a world cup tech, he knows his stuff. He fit my mens size 9 into a size 5 dobie wc 150 perfectly & i have nasty bunions, a 6th toe, flintstrone forefoot, & a R healspur
post #8 of 23
Coup, I gather that was you writing and not a quote from someone else. I'm gonna put you on the spot about the offset hinge. As you know, HH claims that offsetting the hinges causes the knee to track to the inside, encouraging the tail of the ski to release. As the R-1 is so respected, this is very hard claim to buy.

Howevere, in my case, I was having trouble with knee tracking to the inside on my right leg and my tail skidding on my left hand turns, so I put a bolt 3/4's of an inch above the inside hinge on my Comp 100's and noticed an immediate improvement in hold at the end of my turns. However, I am skiing a much softer boot than the R-1. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks, LewBob

PS, After some mods and a swap to the canted soles, these are the best skiing boots I have had in the 44
years I have been skiing!!
post #9 of 23
Reading your post again, I realize you were quoting from a Lange source. Where did you get it. LewBob
post #10 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by LewBob
As you know, HH claims that offsetting the hinges causes the knee to track to the inside, encouraging the tail of the ski to release. As the R-1 is so respected, this is very hard claim to buy.
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However, I am skiing a much softer boot than the R-1. Can you shed any light on this?
I´m not quite sure but I think even HH makes a difference between plug boots and retail models.
post #11 of 23
You are right. HH says true race stock has no relation to retail boots. However, this Lange source says the boot maintains the "offset hinges", implying that the race boot has hinging similar to the retail boots. LewBob
post #12 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
I have heard somewhere that the current Rossi plug is precisely Lange, even bearing the "Lange" somewhere (the cuff? the velcro?).
I have seen the (probably) new Lange at the Munich ISPO show but not the Rossi plug.
The Swiss Rossi promoter will have some meeting very soon where he will get lots of info. I will send him some questions concerning these boots.
The Rossi plug has not beared the Lange logo for many years, although the junior plug did until about 3 years ago. They started using a router to mill them off the sole then, and the next year added the circle R logo.

Pretty funny watching kids with rossi boots leave Lange footprints in the snow.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Pretty funny watching kids with rossi boots leave Lange footprints in the snow.
Still better than Patrick Ortlieb racing in Langes but posing with San Marcos. Rumor says that when finally the Lange people had enough (or, contrary, hadn´t get enough - money, of course) there was almost a scandal and he had to use S.M.
May not be true but the source I have it from is usually well-informed.
post #14 of 23
coup do these new langs look different do you have a pic
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by jo's
coup do these new langs look different do you have a pic
Here is a pic of the WC 150: http://www.kaiwa.co.jp/sports-function/diary2.cgi I don't know how the japanese get the new stuff so fast.
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LewBob
Coup, I gather that was you writing and not a quote from someone else. I'm gonna put you on the spot about the offset hinge. As you know, HH claims that offsetting the hinges causes the knee to track to the inside, encouraging the tail of the ski to release. As the R-1 is so respected, this is very hard claim to buy.

Howevere, in my case, I was having trouble with knee tracking to the inside on my right leg and my tail skidding on my left hand turns, so I put a bolt 3/4's of an inch above the inside hinge on my Comp 100's and noticed an immediate improvement in hold at the end of my turns. However, I am skiing a much softer boot than the R-1. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks, LewBob

PS, After some mods and a swap to the canted soles, these are the best skiing boots I have had in the 44
years I have been skiing!!
For sure HH knows his stuff and I greatly respect him. That being said I don't really subscribe to the whole lateral vs. rotary boot being the blame. But I do think that tibial femur twist is worth looking into,also if the kinetic chain is somehow blocked I believe that this to can lead to similer symptoms. The easiest thing for any of us to do is blame the equipment, and man does that happen here day in and day out. Lange will again end up being the most successful boot in racing this season, and this new boot changes the paradiem, but I understand how some people will never grasp it. As for yor own experience ?? It's hard to say, by adding the bolt did you really change the boot or does your body react differently to the boot. I don't know but glad to know you found a boot that works. FWIW you could order a RL11 in a ZB/ZB flex and have a stiffer boot with all the new bells and whistles, but don't wait till fall.

coup
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Here is a pic of the WC 150: http://www.kaiwa.co.jp/sports-function/diary2.cgi I don't know how the japanese get the new stuff so fast.
Probably will not look exactly like this boot (cosmetics and liner might end up being a little different)

coup
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
IMO, the most important change for a true Worldcup boot should concern the lower shell. The Dobermanns and other new race boots are narrower at the bottom with the widest spot higher off the ground, thus, as we know, enabling higher edge angles and reducing the risk of boot-outs (which we, mere mortals, probably don´t suffer from).
This was one of the worst handicaps the older Lange/Rossi construction had compared to the Dobie/Racetech.
The higher lower cuff (just compare the RaceTech and the position of the cuff hinges) is probably the next one.
If the boot I have seen in Munich really was the new one the changes are minor, especially if you look at it not knowing the inside details.
The minor changes have had very dramatic effects on performance. The arched sole is part of the story but one of the most important features is how the boot eliminates lower shell distorsion and propels the skier into the next turn. Anybody who skis this boot properly set up will be humbled by the performance. I love it!

coup
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw
Coup, do you know if Rossi will change the R2004? (after all it is the sister boot) I am asking because i can get the R2004 (2006 model) if i want but not the Lange.
Btw, what can you tell me about the flexes? I assume one of them is going to be 150.
thanks
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coup
post #20 of 23
FWIW you could order a RL11 in a ZB/ZB flex and have a stiffer boot with all the new bells and whistles, but don't wait till fall.

coup[/quote]

NO way! I spent half the year getting these right. I am going to get some good years out of them. They were foamed first, then a lot of fitting work. I am a very tough fit. Low volume foot and ankle with no meat on them, plus a high instep that impeded flex, even on the Comp 100, until I ground off some of the lower cuff strap where it hits the instep. The canted soles got me aligned pretty well and we worked the footbed to finish things. But thanks for the info. LewBob
post #21 of 23
How do I go about purchasing a pair of these boots? My coaches weren't sure how to get them.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by IskiForPowder
How do I go about purchasing a pair of these boots? My coaches weren't sure how to get them.
Call Skis Dynastar (dumbest corporate name ever) and/or find out the name of your local Lange rep. Ask him or her what shop you should do business with, or what other methods are available in your area.

It seems like a simple question, but it depends on where you live quite a bit.
post #23 of 23
skiingman, thanks a lot.
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