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post #31 of 36
Originally Posted by Leeroy
however it still doesn't change the fact that the downhill skier has the right of way. And actually most here don't forget about the other parts of the code.
Leeroy, you are focusing on a part of the Skiers code that is inferring continual downhill movement. When you are stopped it is your responsibility to stop at a visible, out of the way location. Furthermore as you start to move, it is your responsiblity yeild to oncoming skiers, much like driving through a yeild intersection.

It is also nice to see instructors teaching/exposing students to terrain features the way that PiNKsnow2684 does. In my mind more ski schools need to open up to the idea of teaching in the terrain park and teaching the required skills.
post #32 of 36
thank you for the welcome, and no, my name is not suzie.
uncle louie, i checked the National Ski Patrol site, and their code states that the skiers ahead of you have the right of way, but by that i think they mean the skiers downhill of you, not uphill or above you. as you're skiing down, the skiers ahead of you are downhill from you.
this is the current skiers code, straight from the NSAA website that is most often seen printed on maps and signs: (the 3 rules in discussion at least)
# People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them.
# You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above.
# Whenever starting downhill or merging into a trail, look uphill and yield to others.

you are all completely right that the downhill skier has the right of way, however, the downhill skier still has to be aware that there are people above them in motion. think of it in driving terms: if you are minding your own business and someone cuts you off causing you to swerve to avoid them...is that your fault? as a bump skier, i can tell you that if i'm in a line, and you stop right in the middle of it, i may or may not have time to jump out of it or stop in front of you. is it my fault that my kinetic energy was greater than your common sense?
simply put, no matter what area of the mountain you're on...check above you before you merge, cross, start, stop, etc. just like driving. most good skiers already do this, because it is common sense.
also on the NSAA website is the new park code, called Smart Style.

Scope around the jumps first, not over them. Know your landings are clear and clear yourself out of the landing area.

Start small and work your way up. (Inverted aerials not recommended).

From the lift line through the park.this points out what a few of us have been saying all along: it is the jumpers responsibility to make sure their landing is clear. HOWEVER, don't stand in a landing area! this is a stereotype, but let's face it: behind every stereotype is a piece of truth. on busy holiday periods when there are more "tourists" on the mountain, many more people are in the park that are not used to being there. if i ask a parent (or anyone for that matter) to move out of a landing area, experience tells me i'm more likely to get barked at than i am during non-holiday periods.
and honestly, if you know who the real parkies are, you can see that there's respect for each other there. watch them and you can see no one cuts anyone off or stands in bad spots; they're more likely to use spotters, look out for each other and many are more than willing to offer tips.
post #33 of 36
Just a couple thoughts out of left field:

1 - Restricting Access to Parks. This seems to offend people, but it might make sense. Plus, it's not really inconsistent with some current practices. For example: most ski areas allow the local race team to rope off portions of runs (sometimes entire runs) for training. Would it really be that different to rope off the terrain park for some defined group of a "qualified jibbers"? How you qualify your jibbers is an open question.

This makes the most sense at the mega-mondo areas that have really serious terrain parks, particularly if they also have a "baby" park for the not-so-qualified. I suppose another approach might be to have the park in general open to everyone at certain times, when you might just rope off particular features within the park.

2 - Safety Rules and Codes and Stuff. The skier responsibility code is intended for general skiing, and works fine there. That doesn't mean that there aren't special situations in which a different set of rules might work better, and could be defined. Jumping really has to be a special case. I don't think there's any practical way to be "in control" (in the sense of being able to stop or change direction to avoid someone) when you're airborne, at least in the absence of a set of usable wings. Back to the racing course thing: if somebody doing stem turns (whether or not named Suzie, and whether or not wearing a pink helmet) ducks under the rope and decides it might be fun to ski near those funny flags just past a roller on a Super G training course ....

Also, there are different or additional "rules" that are observed, at least by custom, in backcountry situations, e.g. not taking out people below you with small slides.
post #34 of 36
both great points, and already starting to come into effect. stratton for one has restricted access to it's largest park, where you are required to take a short course on etiquette and safety, then receive a pass you must show to get into the park.
as for a special code, this is the point of the new Smart Style code.
post #35 of 36
Manus , the direction of my original post is more towards the right of a less capable skier to be on the same terrain as the rest of the skiing public (unless restrictions are applied). As for the code here it is . www.nsc.org/mem/youth/ski/nsaa4.htm
Lets see how many different interpretations come out of this , I'll bet the first one is how the rights of the downhill/ahead skiers can be challenged.
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