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Base-layer Long johns - Tuck into your boots?

post #1 of 65
2/22/05 at 3:06pm
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I've always been curious. Do you tuck your base layers into your boots over your socks or just scrunch them up above your boots?
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post #2 of 65
2/22/05 at 3:08pm
Never in the boots.
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post #3 of 65
2/22/05 at 3:13pm
I cut them off at the top of the boot.
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post #4 of 65
2/22/05 at 3:13pm
This is how it works for me....
Base-layer long johns first, pulled up a bit to be flush with the lower calf, then ski socks go on top.
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post #5 of 65
2/22/05 at 3:16pm
There should only be two things in your boot, your foot and one thin sock. Nothing else.
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post #6 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:00pm

Tuck into your boots?

No!

What BillA said.
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post #7 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:23pm
I take the bottom of my long johns and make single fold up so I just clear the top of my boots. When I do this, it adds just a liitle bit of compression for my knee (double layer at the knee) and helps with some of the swelling. Double duty!

DC
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post #8 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:28pm
Hmm....
I always tuck mine into my boots and have never had a problem. I layer them over my socks. Maybe it's a chick thing.
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post #9 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:32pm
I put my long johns on and then pull my socks over the bottoms of them so yeah i put them in my boot but its the same as just having socks on
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post #10 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:36pm
I wear them to the ankle like normal - but then I'm new at this and maybe I don't know any better. One thing I did find though is that I need to put the socks on first and then pull the baselayer over them - otherwise I end up with a very sore indentation of the seam embedded into my legs.:
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post #11 of 65
2/22/05 at 4:43pm
The first thing I do in a beginner lesson is ask the guests to remove anything from their boots that isn't a foot/leg or a sock. I've had too many folks end up with sore/blistered shins from having multiple layers in the boots.

If you have anything more than a smooth surface in the boot and you don't have any issues, you don't use your boots properly.
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post #12 of 65
2/22/05 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
If you have anything more than a smooth surface in the boot and you don't have any issues, you don't use your boots properly.

What kind of a statement is that? You really think your authority on this. I have skied with my long underwear in my boots for years, and I am pretty sure I know how to use my boots and ski properly. Maybe some have problems. Maybe they have fat calves and can't fit the extra layer.

I would do what is most comfortable for you Dug. Personally I don't like to have a big lump of fabric at the top of my boots. I find that cuts the blood to my feet worse than smooth in my boot.

I have seen students with the elastic snow cuff stuffed down in the boot. This I wouldn't recommend.
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post #13 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:06pm
If you're wearing the proper fitting (i.e. not baggy) long underwear, then your base layer plus a thin sock WILL be a smooth surface. I don't see a problem with this...
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post #14 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:13pm
I rarely, if ever, ski with my long underwear in my boots. i've had to rip the cuff on a couple pair to fit them around my calf comfortably, but its worth it. Much less of a chance of an uncomfortable gathering of material in the boot.
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post #15 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:26pm
Never in your boots. I either cut them down or pull them so they will be just above the top of the boot. One common problem we see on the hill of new skiers complaining of leg pain "injury" is directly related to the seams of the long johns inside the boot. I echo what everyone else has said about the thin socks too. I've found that I can only wear a pair of liners or similar because my feet tend to sweat and then they get wet and cold (even with wicking socks). I've tried everything and find this best for me. Do yourself a favor...keep everything out of the boot except your foot and a thin sock, you will be much happier.

Skichick70, it's not a "chick thing", most people can not wear anything other than a sock inside their boot. Maybe it's ok for you, but not for most. Perhaps your boots are too loose so you don't get the pressure (maybe not though).
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post #16 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:28pm
My long underwear is very snug, they're almost like tights, maybe that's why I don't have an issue. Who knows.....as long as you're comfortable and get the performance you need, to each his (or her) own.
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post #17 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:51pm
WTF kind of wack thread is this? Today's polypro and silk base layers are so thin that they'll never be a problem. Maybe if you're still in old skool cotton longjohns with big nasty seams, but...

Cutting them off above the boot??? Then WTF is keeping them from riding up to your knee?

Thin base layer, sock over it, keeps everything in place, have a nice day.
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post #18 of 65
2/22/05 at 6:56pm
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Yeah, my long johns are pretty much skin tight (base layers are supposed to be!) I tried once having them bunched up above the boots but that bugged the crap out of me. Having the long johns in the boots isnt a bother, I was just wondering what other people did. Supposedly you ski better with only your socks and your feet in your boots but I feel the difference is negligble. I'll have to try that suggestion of socks over long johns. Either that or try folding the pants up instead of just shoving them up. :
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post #19 of 65
2/22/05 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by xdog1
WTF kind of wack thread is this?
Hey. if it's too boring for you go back over in the lounge and talk about something exciting...like ice cream.


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Cutting them off above the boot??? Then WTF is keeping them from riding up to your knee?
Nothing keeps them from riding up...they just don't. I tried them in the boot and I've tried them just pulled up. Both ways just didn't make it with me.
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post #20 of 65
2/22/05 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by xdog1
WTF kind of wack thread is this? Today's polypro and silk base layers are so thin that they'll never be a problem. Maybe if you're still in old skool cotton longjohns with big nasty seams, but...
Xdog1, I still have problems with the new polypro's. Maybe I have very sensitive legs, but I do. I don't "cut" these down, but I do pull them up over the top of my boot. Some people are really sensitive to any seems at all. Even with the ones without a seam and even really thin ones I have trouble with the bottoms of the pants.

The person asking this question sounds like an inexperienced skier. Chances are, if I am right, they are skiing in the old style cotton longjohns with the "big nasty seams". There are also other that might be like me.
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post #21 of 65
2/22/05 at 7:23pm
I think I will paraphrase some of the folks over at the Alta safety bar thread:

If you have to worry about long johns, cold weather and your own comfort then maybe you ought to be water skiing.
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post #22 of 65
2/22/05 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
skiing in the old style cotton longjohns with the "big nasty seams".
Actually, I have a very nice pair of base layer bottoms. Having them in the boot or not just never seemed to be a big enough issue for me to put some thought into it until I came to these forums.
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post #23 of 65
2/22/05 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by xdog1
WTF kind of wack thread is this?
If you placed Gonzostrike and the Xdog in a pen together, which would flame the other to extinction?
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post #24 of 65
2/22/05 at 8:19pm
Ok, for real though, this is about the silliest thing I've ever read. Try it both ways and pick one.

Geez, makes me long for another "which ski for me" or "what's it gonna be like at Mt.xxxxxx on xx/xx/xxxx" thread.
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post #25 of 65
2/22/05 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by Dug
Actually, I have a very nice pair of base layer bottoms. Having them in the boot or not just never seemed to be a big enough issue for me to put some thought into it until I came to these forums.
But you said, and I quote, that you've "...always been curious".

So which one is it? :
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post #26 of 65
2/22/05 at 8:22pm

socks & stuff

Every level 1 class gets the same pep talk and part of that is the old ..... "only thing belongs in the boot is the foot and a sock" ....

Later you'll have those big dollar footbeds fitted with the thinnest sock possible.
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post #27 of 65
2/22/05 at 8:50pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xdog1
So which one is it? :
"Always been curious." Enough so to verbalize since I've joined this forum and read those bootfitting threads.
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post #28 of 65
2/22/05 at 8:57pm
I read this like a post from a person that is new to the sport since DUG has such a low post count. I guess I bit and fed a troll.:
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post #29 of 65
2/22/05 at 9:26pm
this is hilarious. a true old wives' tale.

forever I was told to keep the longies out of the boots because they presented "smoothness" issues of the sort Kneale refers to. this was something we were bred to believe back in the 60s and 70s mainly because people back then were prone to wearing thick ragg socks and thick woolies for underwear. neither helps boot fit much.

when I returned to skiing in 1999, I kept pulling my longies up and "scrunching" them below the knee to keep them outta the boots. then at ESA this year in Big Sky I got some raw shins from the boot tongue contact on repeat days of hard snow... let the longies down inside... no fit issues.

malarkey, mesays. the notion is an old holdover from the old days of fearing ragg socks and thick woolen long johns.

who cares as long as your boots remain comfy and you remain comfy.
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post #30 of 65
2/22/05 at 9:38pm
Nope
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