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post #31 of 57
You'll enjoy Cannon and the others. Have a great trip. Please provide a report upon your return. Would enjoy hearing how you made out.
post #32 of 57
Although I'm a tram base kinda guy too, I would suggest parking at the peabody lodge (exit 34c). I say this for a few reasons.

I don't think that Cannon is too difficult for intermediates. In my eyes, the challenge comes from the narrow/windy trails and not so much how steep the runs are.

1. The truly steep runs at cannon are required to get to the Tram. I think you ought to hit them, but if its not your cup of tea then you probably won't want to have to ski them to get lunch, change gloves, get to your car etc.
2. The front runs to the tram seem almost seperate because they are off to skiers right as you come down. Its probably pretty easy to miss them if you aren't familiar and this is pretty important when getting back to your car.
3. Everything else filters down to the Peabody lodge (thats the main one)
post #33 of 57
Thread Starter 

Which of these lodging options would you take?

I found what appears to be an even better lodging deal.

Initially Gorham seemed like the best choice for a central location. Either Royalty Inn or Town and Country Inn.

I found the Eagle Mountain House in Jackson which seems just about as convenient, is a more full-service place, if I want to do a jacuzzi, meals right there etc.. and the price is better than the other two in Gorham.

Any thoughts? I still plan to ski at a minimum over the 4 days, Wildcat, Cannon and Sunday River and ??????, specific order TBD.
post #34 of 57
Eagle Mountain is a good place. Older New England inn. Good value. Have not stayed there in several years but have always enjoyed our stay there. You've gotta hit the Wildcat Tavern in Jackson village for an apres drink of choice.
post #35 of 57
WT, I skied Cannon again yesterday and snow/conditions were terrific. There was definitely a good crowd there but I never waited more than a minute at any lift (other than the tram). Another bright, clear day with awesome, limitless views.
post #36 of 57
for some crazy reason, cannon has had an abundance of clear blue sky days this year. i would say at least half of my cannon days this year (10) have been great weather days with 3 of those being completely cloudless for most of the afternoon. hopefully the trend will continue for your trip, WT.
post #37 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by William Tell
Prefer blue groomers and easier blacks.
Based on that statement, I would not recommend Cannon. IMO, It's a non-forgiving mountain and has a good amount of bump runs. It also can be very windy there. Don't get me wrong, it's a great mountain but it requires work. So if you do decide to ski there go either Friday or Sat. But here's what I would do if I were you...

Sunday River on Friday
Bretton Woods on Saturday
Wildcat on Sunday
Loon on Monday.

Those 4 mountains will give you plenty of variety, aren't too, too crowded on those days, are all in the same general area (not wicked close but close enough), and will put you back on 93 to go to Manchester Monday night (takes about an hour from Loon).

P.S. If it snows on Sunday, skip Loon and ski Wildcat again. It will take forever to get across the kangamangus if it's icy.
post #38 of 57
Cannon ain't that hard. IMO its rep for toughness comes from the conditions there, which when bad can be really bad. Right now, though the snow should be pretty darn good.
post #39 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by crank
Cannon ain't that hard. IMO its rep for toughness comes from the conditions there, which when bad can be really bad. Right now, though the snow should be pretty darn good.
For someone who likes blues and easy blacks I beg to differ.

Most advanced skiers like Cannon (myself included) but I would not take an intermediate there because there isn't a ton of wide groomers.

I love narrow trails and hugging the edge of trails but most intermediates do not.

Also alot can change in 10 days as far as the Notch weather goes.

Hopefully the weather stays cold and snowy.
post #40 of 57
I find the trail ratings at Cannon and Wildcat to be similar in difficulty and have problems understanding why no to Cannon and yes to Wildcat. Both places can be cold and windy, but for solid intermediates the skiing is fine at both places.
post #41 of 57
I've taken plenty of intermediates to Cannon. I agree the trails aren't wide, but the width of the trails there does not add significantly to their difficulty - Unless, of course, conditions suck.

I agree with Talisman about the similarities between Wildcat and Cannon and also think they are good mountains for intermediates.
post #42 of 57
I've gotta agree w/Talisman and Crank. My wife is a MOR intermediate and loves both Wildcat and Cannon and she skis all blues and easier, groomed blacks. Like anything, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
post #43 of 57
I love Cannon.

Hopefully he will too.
post #44 of 57
Thread Starter 
I really appreciate the great insightful input here. You folks rock!

The only 2 definite's for this trip are Wildcat and Cannon. I'm sure there's enough terrain at both for me to have a blast. I'm ok with narrow as long as it's not total ice. If that ends up being the case I'll figure something else out. If I decide to wuss out there's plenty of other options but that ain't gonna happen.

One of my primary goals when traveling to a new ski destination (especially when it's solo like this one) is to find the real local mountains. It sounds so far to me like both Cannon and Wildcat are going to be similar (in some ways, please humor me here) to A-Basin.
I've skied A-Basin once a year for the last three and it's always an adventure. Heck I even let a couple locals there talk me into skiing the East Wall with them. It wasn't pretty but I did ok. And although I don't ski the Pallavacini side at A-Basin, I find plenty (for a day) of what I'm looking for.

Bottom line, I'm gonna ski NH (and maybe Maine too) and have a blast!
post #45 of 57
I would say that for intermediate terrain there are some similarities. In expert terrain there is no contest, A Basin hands down, Although they have opened up the tramline and other shots at Cannon in the past few years that were always OB.

The view from Wildcat, if it's clear out across the valley, rivals the view from the top of A Basin. Hopefully, you'll see what I mean when you're there.
post #46 of 57
Quote:
Most advanced skiers like Cannon (myself included) but I would not take an intermediate there because there isn't a ton of wide groomers.
actually, cannon has a TON of wide open groomers. cannon has a reputation for thin classic winding natural snow trails, but it's simply not true. most trails are wide with a few exceptions such as upper cannon/ravine, the hardscrables, the glades, and any old lift line trails. everything else is pretty wide and mostly groomed. cannon has listened to demand and started letting bumps form up on the side of a lot of trails, but most are still groomed.
post #47 of 57
also want to throw out that the best mountain for groomer action (especially for intermediates) is burke, VT. however, i think that may be a little far outta the way for where WT is looking.
post #48 of 57
Sugarloaf is quite a bit out of the way for a one day trip. And besides, once you get there you are not going to want to leave. Better off to plan a three + day trip there for next year, although the skiing is usually good right through the middle of April. Definately the best of the bunch.
post #49 of 57
Thread Starter 

No Loaf this time....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac
Sugarloaf is quite a bit out of the way for a one day trip. And besides, once you get there you are not going to want to leave. Better off to plan a three + day trip there for next year, although the skiing is usually good right through the middle of April. Definately the best of the bunch.
You're absolutely right. I'm realizing that there is so much good terrain within an hour of where I've decided to stay (Eagle Mt House in Jackson) that I'm gonna just stay put in NH. In fact Sunday River may come off the itinerary to be substituted by Bretton Woods. But of course conditions and weather will be the real deciding factors.

Looking at a 10 day forecast yesterday, it looked like that part of NH was gonna stay below freezing the whole time. And it also looks like there's a real big dump about to hit as I write this.

I'm also tentatively planning a short trip to CO for mid-April. But if conditions remain good up in New England, maybe I'll just do Maine instead.

There's also a real Maine connection that I need to make now that I'm a skier and have a better reason to travel to Maine.
My dad was from Rumford and I believe i remember him saying he skied in that area a few times as a teenager. I need to try and find out from some long lost relatives (if even possible) where that may have been.
post #50 of 57
I wouldn't trade off Sunday River for Bretton Woods unless you're a lower level intermediate. SR is not much farther from where you're staying, and I think you'd have more fun there. Not that BW is not a nice place, but they don't call it Bretton Flats for nothing. Of course, if you're going to ski four days, you could always do SR, WC, BW, and Cannon in that order, and I still feel like Cannon is going to be a crapshoot, depending on what day you ski there, and whether they feel like grooming or not. Even when they have a lot of snow, the conditions can be pretty intimidating.
post #51 of 57
I agree that Bretton woods isn't that special unless there is fresh snow, then the glades are fun. Sunday River as was pointed out isn't much longer of a drive but has a much broader range of trails and exposures. SR does have low base ~600 Feet above sea level, so it can get warm and sloppy. The higher base elevation mountains in that area are Wildcat, Cannon and Bretton Woods.
post #52 of 57
Thread Starter 
You know something, just like every other time I'm prepraring for a trip to an area I've never been, I'm starting to feel like a kid in a candy store....too many darn choices!
Know what I mean?

Hence the back and forth deciding which mountain when, etc...
The reality once I arrive to the new area is never exactly like the "fantasy" that I end up thinking about leading up to it. Sometimes the reality is much better, sometimes much worse...
post #53 of 57
Thread Starter 
Earlier today (on ebay) I picked up Wildcat and Bretton Woods lift tix. The BW is only good for Mon-Fri, Wildcat any day.
Which now potentially changes up the itinerary, but you know how those things go anyway...
How's this look?
Fri- BW
Sat- WC
Sun- SR
Mon- Cannon
Homebase for the 4 nights is in Jackson.

Now I just gotta figure out a good place to change clothes and pack skis/boots late on Monday afternoon before I get to the airport. I figure if I'm out of Cannon by 4pm-ish I can make the 8:20pm flight in Manchester no problem.
post #54 of 57
Stop obsessing and just go skiing already!
post #55 of 57
Maybe I'll run into you at SR.

Not literally hopefully
post #56 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by crank
Stop obsessing and just go skiing already!
Yep, it's all good, I have had epic days at all the areas discussed here....heck I have had epic days at King Pine!!! If you rip, Wildcat and Cannon are musts....Bretton Woods.....egoville...and what's wrong with that, heck every hill has ego trails and that's fun too!!.....hit the web sites, view the trail maps and go go go!!! If it doesn't "r" conditions right now are epic....everywhere. Enjoy!!!!!
ps, Sugarloaf is just amazing....my opinion....
post #57 of 57

Talisman -

 

thanks for the info about parking at Barker Lodge. I am going skiing at SR tomorrow. We have over 6" fresh snow right now.

 

Super spring skiing!

 

peace...

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