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Any flat top-plate race skis left?

post #1 of 18
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Are there any modern race skis with flat top plates left? Reason I ask is that I have extra large feet - 16 - and use the largest Lange shells. Some of the dang wunder binding systems simply won't take my length, because either the skis have wierd profiles that interfere (Atomic Betas) or the entire binding plate/system isn't long enough.

I have several toe and heel bindings that I'd like to use - just set them on a plate or stacks - does any still do this? Thanks
post #2 of 18
Most of the top race skis have a flat top sheet, but many come installed with a VIST or similiar plate. Check out the Elan's: the GSX is flat with no plate.

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Originally Posted by madeinchina
Are there any modern race skis with flat top plates left? Reason I ask is that I have extra large feet - 16 - and use the largest Lange shells. Some of the dang wunder binding systems simply won't take my length, because either the skis have wierd profiles that interfere (Atomic Betas) or the entire binding plate/system isn't long enough.

I have several toe and heel bindings that I'd like to use - just set them on a plate or stacks - does any still do this? Thanks
post #3 of 18
Will any plate not work, or just one with pre drilled holes? The Fischers have a flat plate with no pre drilled holes, they would probably work. Atomic, Rossignol, Dynastar all have pre-drilled holes. Elan race stocks and Volkls come with no plates.
post #4 of 18
You can get Fischer's Race SC flat with no plate at all. If fact, Ski Depot has them for $275.
post #5 of 18
K2's also come flat.
post #6 of 18
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Stockli's come flat, dont they?
post #7 of 18
Stockli coupled with the VIST plate.
post #8 of 18
Atomic DH and SG skis. remove the factory plate and mount your own bindings.

My question is this... with feet and boots so large, why don't you just wax the boot soles?
post #9 of 18
Elan, Stockli, K2 retail race skis
Quite a few race stock skis, I´m sure
VIST WC Air Extension set at maximum length might be long enough to accommodate your binding
VIST WCR Duo are two pieces but a freeflex (Tyrolia, Fischer) or fullflex (Atomic, Dynamic) binding would be desirable
Markers are very long bindings, pivots (Look, Rossi) naturally the shortest
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by checkracer
Elan, Stockli, K2 retail race skis
I thought all K2 race skis were race stock skis? or maybe all just retail skis?
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by kestner9
Will any plate not work, or just one with pre drilled holes? The Fischers have a flat plate with no pre drilled holes, they would probably work. Atomic, Rossignol, Dynastar all have pre-drilled holes. Elan race stocks and Volkls come with no plates.
The Rossignol and Dynastar plates will definitely not work. The atomic (old binding) can accept some pretty large bootsoles, but I don't recall the limit.

The Fischer plate will not work with that size boot. It is simply too short, by several centimeters.

The Salomon Poweraxe (large) plates work up to about 356mm or so IIRC.

If it truly is a 16 shell (I've never seen a modern Lange that large, I assume it would be a UK 15) it should be about 363mm long. Thats just a guess. It could be as long as 380ish.

And no, K2 no longer makes "retail" race skis.

Very few race stock ski/plate combos will work without significant modification.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by dipstik
I thought all K2 race skis were race stock skis? or maybe all just retail skis?
They are all listed in the official catalog, at least in the version for Europe (K2 Ski Sport + Mode GmbH, Penzberg, Germany).
Funny enough, the current 04/05 had even Mach SG/DH (!!!) which, I agree, is hardly a retail model even if a catalog ski
198-216 cm, 91.-65.5-81, radius 216/45 m (funny once more, the data :
I wonder if there was a single DH/SG produced and used

05/06 there are Moto GS Race and Moto SL Race which seem unchanged.
The info available suggests that both skis are fairly tolerant skis (retail). Which doesn´t mean there could be some beefier racestock versions.
Btw, anybody knows who and/or where makes them? K2-made?

I wanted to test both the GS and SL, our Importer first kept promising but then he said he wouldn´t have them.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by skiingman
And no, K2 no longer makes "retail" race skis.
Could it be different for the racing-obsessed Europe?
Cf. my prevoius post:
"They are all listed in the official catalog, at least in the version for Europe (K2 Ski Sport + Mode GmbH, Penzberg, Germany)."
"05/06 there are Moto GS Race and Moto SL Race which seem unchanged."
post #14 of 18
I saw some k2 GS at Ken Jones in manchester yesterday. They were def racestock, but perhaps not this years?
post #15 of 18
checkracer: I own a pair of this years K2 SL ski, and they definately look and ski like a race stock ski. They have full vertical sidewalls and are not at all meant as a "free skiing slalom ski". They are fantastic race skis: real nice and easy turn initiation, great edge hold, fast, and even at 166 they can make any turn you want. Also, I have seen their SG/DH more than once in a race/tuning shop getting work done to them. So they do exist, and people do use them!

RJP: I bought my K2's at Ken Jones in Manchester at the beginning of this year, so I would assume the skis you saw were the current model.
post #16 of 18
If you want a certain ski the only thing stopping you would be if the plate is not removable . Any good machine shop can duplicate the bottom of a plate (to match the ski ) and size the piece to accomodate your boots . The choice of material would be something you would have to determine , high desity poly is strong and light but my choice for this would be aluminum . If machined properly it would be strong and light . If cosmetics are an issue you can get it anodized to match whatever you want.
post #17 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstik
checkracer: I own a pair of this years K2 SL ski, and they definately look and ski like a race stock ski. They have full vertical sidewalls and are not at all meant as a "free skiing slalom ski". They are fantastic race skis: real nice and easy turn initiation, great edge hold, fast, and even at 166 they can make any turn you want. Also, I have seen their SG/DH more than once in a race/tuning shop getting work done to them. So they do exist, and people do use them!
Thanks for the info.
A pity then our K2 importer hadn´t brought them in. I can imagine his reasoning: there will be no really good racer to use them (although there would be many who would love to get them for free) and other retail models (Mach, Apache) distributed among ski teachers will do the image job better.
I must ask him if he doesn´t change his mind this year.
I don´t know if K2 is in the pools of important European countries. As I hear, just the right to supply the gear is far from being cheap. It may be one of the reasons why K2 race skis are so rare here.
I was skiing with an Austrian last summer who had the K2 GS. He was very happy on them because - he said - they were less demanding than the Atomics he had had before.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by checkracer
They are all listed in the official catalog, at least in the version for Europe (K2 Ski Sport + Mode GmbH, Penzberg, Germany).
Funny enough, the current 04/05 had even Mach SG/DH (!!!) which, I agree, is hardly a retail model even if a catalog ski
198-216 cm, 91.-65.5-81, radius 216/45 m (funny once more, the data :
I wonder if there was a single DH/SG produced and used

05/06 there are Moto GS Race and Moto SL Race which seem unchanged.
The info available suggests that both skis are fairly tolerant skis (retail). Which doesn´t mean there could be some beefier racestock versions.
Btw, anybody knows who and/or where makes them? K2-made?

I wanted to test both the GS and SL, our Importer first kept promising but then he said he wouldn´t have them.
The GS ski is really nice, and pretty forgiving. Has a very nice initiating tip. The K2 race skis are in fact "retail" skis listed in the catalog, but they are the "race stock" construction. They have ceased producing a line of "retail" skis with cap construction, different shapes, etc, as Salomon/Rossignol/Volkl etc. still do.

So yeah, they certainly have race skis, but they don't have a separate line of "retail" or "consumer" race skis.
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