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post #31 of 59
Sheesh, the guy just wasn't very impressed with Squaw, who gives a sh@.
post #32 of 59
I skied Squaw for the first time a few years ago and I'd have to say I was disappointed. The snowpack was low and the steeps were all icy moguls. They funnel into crowded blue runs lower down, so in the end I felt like I hadn't done a high speed carve all day. There seemed to be plenty of them though, and I liked the surprise cliffs out on Granite Chief.

Squaw was crowded even during the week. I loved Alpine Meadows, and I could see the potential for either place to be epic with more snow. I was going to do Fernie this year, as I have yet to hear a bad thing about the place, but the snow is all down south.
post #33 of 59
Wow, struck a nerve :-) I moved to Tahoe this year to ski the steeps, sure haven't been disappointed. In fact, gotta go, new snow, gonna go check out the Chutes at Mt Rose today.

FWIW, I think BC has the best skiing in the world, although I have yet to get to Fernie. But I've never seen anything else like Tahoe, so much to do so close by. Add in the amazing backcountry (and amazing number of green light avalanche days) and it's gonna take me the rest of my life to explore this area.
post #34 of 59
If you want to just log vert just ride the tram at Snowbird then race it back to the Bottom. Then again seems like this guy would also think Snowbird/ Alta and Jackson hole would be found lacking in steeps.
post #35 of 59
They actually raced for vertical feet like that in the Jackson-Snowbird Tram off. I could not find out who won but here is a link to the race.

http://www.skiingmag.com/skiing/feat...403671,00.html

I found a link saying Jackson was winning 2 hours in but not who won.

Alfonse
post #36 of 59
his skis alone tell me he didn't do the real steeps at Squaw! he's King of the Groomers.....

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=24449
post #37 of 59
Since we are on the subject of Squaw.....


When is the best time to hit the resort to avoid crowds. I have stayed away from the place because everyone I know that frequents the resort says it is always pretty packed.

I would think that after a big dump the roads from SF and Sac would be closed or bottled to one lane which would limit the population.
post #38 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomB
bloxy: Any one who rates a ski area on the amount of vertical feet they can manage in a day has very strange priority.

Better than rating an area by the amount of hiking you have to do to get to the good stuff.
Huh? I hope your joking, because that's exactly how I rate an area. The more hike-to, the better.
post #39 of 59
The poster brings up a good point as to reasons Canadians might be disgusted with the bragadocious nature of American ski area advertising, but obviously was way off base on the 'steep' issue. Canadians likely hear people ballyhoo about the 'steepness' of Jackson Hole and Snowbird, and the 'expanse' of Vail's back bowls; and get themselves a very different impression from what the eastern US skier these ads are intended for gets.

I personally skied Vail's back bowls after a couple of trips into Lake Louise's back bowls, and thought that Vail must be full of 'Drugstore Dandys'; for them to tout them as they do against other challenging bowls. ..Short fall lines and long runouts just don't stack up in the upper niches of world class ski resorts.

Canadian standards are undoubtedly different from what the US likes to portray, and I think it likely that European standards are different also. Had this gentleman complained about the snow quality, along with the lift situation in a crowded ski environment, he might have been right on target. ..But to say the sierras represent a lack of vertical challenge, is so far from the truth it verges on being hilarious.
post #40 of 59

Avoiding crowds at Squaw?

Super Bowl Sunday was great; nobody was there all day & skied right on the chairs. Middle of the week is great (except next week is the most crowded mid-week of the year).

Other than that, there are no real secrets. The fast, expert lifts are generally going to have short waits. In my experience, KT-22 (quad) & Headwall (6 pack) get about 5 minute lines; even during crowded weeks because they're fast chairs. Silverado gets no line at all. Granite Chief gets a little longer line because the chair is an old triple. If Oly Lady is turning, there's never a line, even though it's an ancient double.

If you're an intermediate, ski Squaw Creek or Red Dog, which never have lines. Stay away from Shirley Lake & the Mountain Run at the end of the day (it's actually a fine little cruiser mid-day if you veer to the left side of it).

That's about it. It's crowded, but there are so many lifts there it's fine. All in all, compared to the 22 days I've skied at Whistler, I have shorter waits at Squaw, even though I ski weekends/holidays. Also, the lines at Squaw are much shorter than the lines at Alpine Meadows or Northstar.

Also, regarding the comment on advertising; I think it's on the money. In my experience, Canadian and European resorts have much more terrain versus ads than American resorts (except for Whistler, which has the most terrain AND advertising of any place in North America).
post #41 of 59
I think you hit the nail on the head Feallen. I haven't skied Tahoe, although Squaw and Kirkwood are on the hit list for this spring, but did find that Jackson Hole didn't quite meet my expectations. Not that it didn't have lots of steep shots and great skiing, but it wasn't what I expected based on years of hearing/reading about JH's fabled terrain - Corbet's was a real letdown.
I picture the Tahoe area as similar, based on reports from friends that have skied it. Lots of shorter, steep lines and cliff bands that provide great adrenaline fixes and photo-ops. Still great skiing and still worthy of advanced/expert skiers, just different from the long fall line steeps we're used to in Canada.
I'm sure alot of European skiers feel the same when they hear tales of Delerium Dive at SSV or Fuez Bowl at KH after skiing LaGrave or Chamonix.
post #42 of 59
Thread Starter 
Just got back from 3 days of sking at Fernie, BC Canada. As I said at the beginning and I say again, Tahoe is basically flat. I do agree that there are some "Short" steep pitches, but cannot compare to the good old Canadian Rockies!!!! I would also like to add that the people we met were very friendly and made our trip fun.
post #43 of 59
I guess I need to go to Fernie.

I am a SugarBowl fan and an Alpine Meadows fan.

I also get to Kicking Horse, Marmot and Sunshine every couple of years. I was thinking of Panorama/Fernie/Kicking horse this year but Utah called me instead.

Sorry you don't think my favorites in Tahoe compare, but What could you recommend at Fernie? March isn't planned yet.
post #44 of 59
Thread Starter 
Hi Skion,

Given the snow conditions up here this year I would wait for a little bit before booking any trips for March. If you do get to Fernie we can
meet and I can give you the 5 cent tour. My thoughts on Panorama are it's ok for a family hill, but not too challenging. Beauitful landscape. Let me know just prior to making your decision on Fernie, etc and I will find out what conditions are, deals, etc.
post #45 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdr
If someone says Squaw is not steep, then they did not ski the right areas.
I concur.

The only thing steeper than some of the runs off of the lifts KT-22, Solitude, back side of Emigrant into Granite Chief is this:

post #46 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by SquawMan
his skis alone tell me he didn't do the real steeps at Squaw! he's King of the Groomers.....

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=24449
Sizzzzzzzzzle !
post #47 of 59
Quote:
Just got back from 2 weeks at lake Tahoe. We skied Sugar Bowl,Mt. Rose, Diamond Peak, Kirkwood, Squaw, Northstar (2), Homewood, Alpine Meadows(2) (did not ski Heavenly or Sierra). We skied 270,000 feet vertical and 197 runs. Summary: if you like to ski Groomed runs, this is the place. We were disappointed with the hills. Not as challenging as the Canadian Rockies. (we ski Fernie - when it has snow!!). Our first choice was Alpine Meadows. Second was Northstar. Very disappointed in Squaw (very little steep) and Kirkwood (slow chairs). Anyway it was an experience, but would not recommend for advanced skiers.
Huh? Flat-star was second choice...WHAT?!?! For once I'm speechless!!
post #48 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by SquawMan
his skis alone tell me he didn't do the real steeps at Squaw! he's King of the Groomers.....

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=24449
SquawMan: Have you ever skied the B:5's? What makes you think they're not designed for steeps?

They'll handle pitches a mountain goat wouldn't touch, including Extreme Couloir on Blackcomb - plenty steep. The B:5 is an all-terrain expert's ski, and it handles as such.
post #49 of 59
Thanks for the offer.

I have a week in March that is not scheduled yet.

Steamboat and Tahoe are options, but we have not been to Canada yet this year. Thanks for the news on Panorama. It looks light to me, but I keep hearing that the back bowls are a hidden treasure.

I will contact you if Calgary is our destination for march.

Otherwise it will be next season.
post #50 of 59
The Oliver Stone in me is thinking this post was put here deliberately to insight a certain response and is not a "real" review of skiing in Tahoe...
post #51 of 59
I had a buddy in town this weekend that lives down south of here just north of Mammoth. We were discussing some ski trips for this spring, we both like to ski the steeps. We agreed the big difference between Tahoe and the eastern crest of the Sierra isn't how steep they are, but how long those steeps are. Many of the resorts here in Tahoe have less then 2000 feet of verticle, the ones with more (like Squaw) don't tend to have top to bottom runs anyway. Same goes of the backcountry here, lots of 1000' foot runs but not many 3000'+. The eastern crest tends to have much longer runs (lots of 2000' cols, etc). Europe does too. We were looking at Squallywood and watched Immersion (mostly filmed at Squaw and Donner Summit) and were commenting that almost all of the lines they were skiing were less then 10 turns long. Steep for sure, just not all that long.

So, our steeps may be shorter here in Tahoe, but to call the area flat is a joke (...I was thinking to myself yesterday as my sluff pulled me 150 feet down one of the chutes at Mt Rose...)
post #52 of 59
Thread Starter 
First I would like to say that my intent here was not to insult anyone or any ski area. My choice of words should have been more diplomatic!! Tahoe was a very good vacation for us. Nice weather, people, etc. We enjoyed all the hills we skied, however would have liked longer steep pitches and less ski outs. Again sorry if I affended anyone. Was not my intent. Enjoy the rest of the season and if anyone comes up to COLD Canada, I would be pleased to help with any info I can.
post #53 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by pbertoewrn
First I would like to say that my intent here was not to insult anyone or any ski area. My choice of words should have been more diplomatic!! Tahoe was a very good vacation for us. Nice weather, people, etc. We enjoyed all the hills we skied, however would have liked longer steep pitches and less ski outs. Again sorry if I affended anyone. Was not my intent. Enjoy the rest of the season and if anyone comes up to COLD Canada, I would be pleased to help with any info I can.
You probably should have qualified some of your statements with the word 'long' insterted before 'steep' when complaining about Tahoe.

To say that Tahoe/Squaw/Alpine are not steep is a rather ignorant statement. 'Long' they may not be, by some standards, but 'steep' they most definitely are.

Speaking for alpine in particular, which is the mtn i know best in Tahoe, I can't imagine that you found the terrain near Our Father, Keyhole, or any of the terrain to the left of Alpine Bowl chair or off the backside of the Sherwood chair to be lacking in steepness. Or stuff off the high traverse either. Sure, you're not going to get 2000' of vertical in one run. But steeps? Hell yes.

Also...you lost a lot of credibility by listing Northstar as your 2nd favorite mountain...claiming to be someone who was looking for 'steep' 'expert' 'challenging terrain' and then listing Northstar at #2 is awfully contradictory. As any Tahoe regular knows...the 'black diamonds' at Northstar are basically blues anywhere else. To say that Alpine and Sqauw weren't steep enough and you really liked Northstar...eh...that's crazy!!!
post #54 of 59
The posts from the Squaw defenders are hilarious. SquawMan, Jim S, others - rock on!!
post #55 of 59
Gentlemen: is it possible that someone is just yanking your chain?
post #56 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
Gentlemen: is it possible that someone is just yanking your chain?
Canadians don't yank. Wank, yes, but not yank.
post #57 of 59
I haven't been to Tahoe but I get the overall drift. Like another poster, I went to Jackson Hole after hearing all the stories on how it's supposed to be the biggest bad @ss mountain in the U.S. Then I went to Whistler... I'm not knocking Jackson Hole - it's a great mountain and I'll be back. But, the inbound double diamonds steeps at Whistler were MUCH longer and generally more to much more challenging. Snow quality, on the other hand...

I think pbertoewrn was expecting something more like Whistler.
post #58 of 59
God,would I like to get hold of this dude and lap him into the 58's, and Palisades and drop his "only groomers" butt down the PR run at da Bowl, then head him over to Squaw for some of the lines everyone else listed, that seem to do just fine for the big gun ski stars that call Squaw home.
If you ever come back down, grab a Patroller or local and bring a copy of your thread. Trust me, we'll be more than happy to tour you around and show some of our low level terrain up close and personal.
Another poser..... hits Nor Cal.
post #59 of 59
I've never seen folks so worked up over a slap to a ski area.

So long as you get what you need from the area, what does it matter?

Nobody's questioning your manhood.
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