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Whitetail conditions this Presidents' Day Weekend?

post #1 of 19
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Heya folks,

I am heading down to the MD area this friday and will be skiing with some of my friends at Whitetail this Saturday (kind of a college reunion/getting them out of the wedge weekend). Anyone know the true conditions for Whitetail as well as how crowded it will be down there? I know it will be a bad weekend but how long will the lift lines be?
Thanks in advance
post #2 of 19
The conditions should be ok this weekend. They're website says they have one run closed today, which I'm sure is due to our recent warm spell and rain. It's suppose to turn colder tonight and through the weekend, so they'll be running the guns at night to get things back in shape. They've got a pretty good snowmaking capability, so they can make some progress pretty quickly. The weather forecast even says there's a chance for some snow this weekend.

Crowds can be a problem there any weekend so I expect it to be worse for the holiday weekend. My advise would be to get there early (when the lifts start) and ski the front side. Take an early lunch when it starts to crowd up and then head to the back side. If your group doesn't have the ability to ski the back side, they're in for a long afternoon.

Where in MD are you staying? The crowds are typically much less at RoundTop if it's not too far for your group.
post #3 of 19
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Thanks for the response. My friend's place is in Gaithersburg. We will be driving in the morning. Unfortunately, all three are beginners with one hoping to get out of the wedge and into parallel turns (my plan is to teach her get there). Although I am sure they can do the blues and blacks using the wedge, I am against it as that will destroy the snow for others. I will look into Roundtop and see whether that is a better option. They are partial to Whitetail for some reasons. Thanks again.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by magnusPAH
I will look into Roundtop and see whether that is a better option. They are partial to Whitetail for some reasons. Thanks again.
Whitetail is a little closer to Gaithersburg, but not a lot compared to RoundTop. People in our area seem to flock to Whitetail because it's close and it does have the nicest facilities of the 3 local resorts. RoundTop has older facilities and good terrain, but half the crowds of the other 2. Last year on President's day, RoundTop didn't even run all of their lifts until mid afternoon because of the lack of skiers. That day was unusually light though.

Except for the crowds, Whitetail is a good beginner hill. It has 2 runs that are darn near flat and a third that is a little more challenging. You guys will have fun either way.
post #5 of 19
Since you have a beginner group, it's worth noting that all three local resorts have great beginner packages that include lifts, rentals, and group lessons. They are also known as having very good beginner lessons. Here's Whitetails site which you can browse for the various packages.

I'm sure that you know that therusty and Physicsman both instruct there.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks again. I will ask them. I personally think that they will chose WHitetail as it seemed more popular and the people I ski with are the 1 time-per-year skier sort. I personally would like Roundtop better to avoid the crowds. Thanks again
post #7 of 19
The Coach pretty much nailed it about conditions at WT.

I taught and cliniced at WT both Sunday and yesterday (Monday). Yesterday, the rain & fog was intense, but the mtn was deserted. It made for a "thick cream" untracked snow surface. Some people might consider such snow difficult (ie, very heavy and grabby), but IMHO, it was the next best thing to powder.

The flip side is that the rain and fog did erode the base. The beginner runs were absolutely fine. On the steeper runs, there were some bare spots showin' and growin', but it was pretty easy to avoid them, altho I took one minor base hit by skiing the untracked at trail's edge (Limelight). With colder weather scheduled for the end of the week, conditons should be absolutely fine on probably all but one trail, but expect a choppy surface on our highest traffic blue (Angel Drop).

HTH

Tom / PM
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hey Tom/PM

Thanks. Yeah, they decided on WT due to familiarity. Besides, with the three of them, it is very doubtful that I will get a chance to go anywhere beyond green and blue runs. Oh well. If you see a skier wearing a red spyder jacket with a red helmet following or being followed by 2-3 skiers doing a wedge, that would be me. Thanks again all for the help. We will stay away from Angel Drop.
post #9 of 19
Which day(s) will you and your group be there?
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
This Sat only. I have to drive back (CT) sunday morning. I would love to ski more but they are those once-a-year skiers. It is more of a reunion actually. Should I bring my rock skis (Atomic C9) or my SL9?
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by magnusPAH
Should I bring my rock skis (Atomic C9) or my SL9?
No clue. You should be ok with your SL9's but who knows. Since your going to be "ripping" on the beginner slopes I'd probably play it safe.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Coach13
No clue. You should be ok with your SL9's but who knows. Since your going to be "ripping" on the beginner slopes I'd probably play it safe.
Hee hee...hm "ripping" down a bunny slope at a whopping speed of 2-5 mph. Yee haw, look at me go. May be I will do the wedge to slow down a bit. This will be interesting indeed.
post #13 of 19
Hmmm... bring your rock skis... I was out there last Thursday and I thought conditions were marginal. I stuck to the back side of the mountain, and it was pretty late in the day which probably didn't help. The front side looked as though it was holding up pretty well.

It's in the high 50s today in DC, but its supposed to get a little cooler as folks have mentioned... hopefully they can make some snow and we can get a few more days out of the mountain.

Your group will have a blast! The hill is pretty tame.

Have fun!
Ken
post #14 of 19
I haven't been there since the 29th. The base was the deepest I have ever seen (on Limelight at least, they put up fencing to keep skiers from going under the chairs because the chairs were close to the snow. Exhibition on the other hand was still thin on skier's right.) Things change quick but I think there should be a decent base left. It won't be crowded saturday, when it gets as warm as it is today in DC, no one would believe the local ski area is open. It's our dirty little secret, don't tell!

Twinceramic, a few more days ?
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by twinceramic
Hmmm... bring your rock skis... I was out there last Thursday and I thought conditions were marginal. ... hopefully they can make some snow and we can get a few more days out of the mountain...
I think(hope) you are being a bit too pessimistic. The conditions are simply not so bad to think they will only "get a few more days out of the mountain". I doubt they will close b4 March 1st, and if I had to guess, I'd say that closing will likely be more in the 3/7 to 3/10 range this year, and I certainly am not saying that because I work there.

With respect to what skis to bring, IMHO, you don't have to worry about rock skis yet. I heard it's supposed to be in the low 40's during the day on Sat, so the surface is probably going to be a bit soft, but not slurpee-soft like yesterday, so bring whichever pair does best in those conditions at the low speeds you'll be going with your friends.

Have lotsa fun and watch your friends' backs for the clueless kamakazi beginners through 5-day-per-year low intermediates that will undoubtedly be out in force this weekend. These folks have enough balance to stay upright long enough to get up a good head of steam, but don't have a clue in the world how to turn.

Tom / PM

PS - Unfortunately, I won't be there next Sat ... only Sunday 2 to close, and Monday, 12 to close.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks again. Yeah, I will be skiing behind them whenever I can with my poles sticking out j/k. Hopefully people will stay away and the lines will not be too bad.
post #17 of 19
Red helmet and cape, er... jacket. Ole!
post #18 of 19
Er... I probably should have qualified my statement. I've been sneaking out early on Fridays to hit the ski areas... just trying to break in some new boots. So a few more trips for me would be a few more weeks of snow up there.

I agree, Whitetail was pretty decent towards the end of Jan. The moguls and conditions on Exhibition were great. The backside of Liberty was pretty decent, two weeks ago. WT last week was not the same... No moguls on Exhibition, Bold Decision was 1/4 deteriotated... and slush all over the backside around mid-day.

Some cold weather would be nice to let them make a little more snow.

Anyone know the conditions at Roundtop or Blue Knob?
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by telerod15
...The base was the deepest I have ever seen (on Limelight at least, they put up fencing to keep skiers from going under the chairs because the chairs were close to the snow...
Absolutely true - even yesterday. In fact, this depth nearly got me into trouble.

About halfway down Limelight, I was playing around in the fog, getting speed by regularly dropping down from the region of thicker base under the liftline into the thinner, but virgin untracked snow near the (skier's) right edge of the trail, and then shooting back up under the liftline where the base was several feet thicker, using the snow depth on that part of the trail sort of like a quarter-pipe.

The problem was that the patrol had removed the fencing that you mentioned, but the snow was still nearly as thick as you saw. Anyway, at one point, I shot back up this berm of snow, only to discover that my head was passing at very high speed directly under the skis of some skier riding the chair, with only a few feet to spare. With me coming out of the dense fog directly at him at a good clip (and only a few feet below him), I think he was every bit as surprised as I was.

Tom / PM
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