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post #1 of 23
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Does anyone know if Tecnica will be downsizing any time soon? I'm swimming in the new models starting with the Icon line.
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by skierzzzzzz
Does anyone know if Tecnica will be downsizing any time soon? I'm swimming in the new models starting with the Icon line.
That is why I switched....I have been in Tecnicas for years....This last offering Diablo's (Fred Flintstone was the model)...the modications would have been to extensive.....So, I had little choice but to switch brands......A reputable shop in VT called The Starting Gate....sent back the whole line to Tecnica this year...due to all the complaints......I know they have lost a lot of customers over this...not sure what their move will be.
post #3 of 23
Nordica Dobermans, Atomic, Dalbello Krypton?
post #4 of 23
Just a bit of perspective...not every skier has a skinny, high-arched a/b width foot. Some of us do have Fred Flintstone feet (no arch, 4E width, flat very low instep) and we appreciate a company recognizing this fact so although they may have lost many customers, I know some they have also gained.
post #5 of 23
I have a pair of Technica Diablo Flames and they seem tight in the front. I make them so tight I have trouble opening my boots at the bottom of every run.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
Just a bit of perspective...not every skier has a skinny, high-arched a/b width foot. Some of us do have Fred Flintstone feet (no arch, 4E width, flat very low instep) and we appreciate a company recognizing this fact so although they may have lost many customers, I know some they have also gained.
Understandably, you found boots to fit your feet....which is great..... But, as a business decision, do you really think it was a good idea for Tecnica to base a 'last' that is at one extreme of a size continuum. Especially, when making a boot larger/wider is an easier modification ....making one smaller/thinner...is usually temporary or futile.
When a shop sends the complete line back because of continuous complaints....it is not an individual issue......to me, that is perspective.
post #7 of 23
That is why we carry boots from many different companys, if a Tecnica is too wide then a Lange might work or a Head or a Dolomite etc. While you may think it is a poor decision, and you know of one shop that sent back their order, I have sold many Diablos this year and have had very few if any complaints about them. The boots seem to fit a D to E width, which is about the average width I see in my shop. Time will tell if other shops end up doing the same thing as the one you mentioned, but there may have been other factors at work that you are not aware of, we sent back a whole bunch of Lange boots because they were in a nearby chain store and they were not supposed to in their.
post #8 of 23
I am a bit confused about the Tecnica sizing issue. My last three boots have all been Tecnicas (TNT, Explosion and Icon) size 26.0 and they all fit very well out of the box with minimum adjustments. I have "a skinny, high-arched a/b width foot" as described in one of the posts. When I tried on the Diablo series at my favorite shop I mentioned that it sounds like I needed to downsize based on what I had read on this forum. The salesmen looked at me a little funny and assured me that they had not changed the last. I was then very surprised to find that, once again, the 26.0 fit me like I was the model for the last. Am I the only one feels there has not been a significant change in the fit or is there some other explanation? BTW, I have a pretty good grasp on properly fitting a boot. I have worked in a ski shop and have 25 years of racing experience. I mention this just to let everyone know that I am not erring on the "comfort" side when being fit for a boot.

Any thoughts? I am not doubting anybody's observations just wondering how they can be so different.

Ski fast.
post #9 of 23

i'm thinking of fire's myself...

i have a slightly wide foot, and it's coming down to these or the beasts. i tried the fires on and they were tight but i would expect that in a new boot in the shop.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by BootDude
That is why we carry boots from many different companys, if a Tecnica is too wide then a Lange might work or a Head or a Dolomite etc. While you may think it is a poor decision, and you know of one shop that sent back their order, I have sold many Diablos this year and have had very few if any complaints about them. The boots seem to fit a D to E width, which is about the average width I see in my shop. Time will tell if other shops end up doing the same thing as the one you mentioned, but there may have been other factors at work that you are not aware of, we sent back a whole bunch of Lange boots because they were in a nearby chain store and they were not supposed to in their.
BootDude,
Talking with the shop owner...in this instance, the main reason was the fit of the boots...not any other factor.....Certainly, a good point though as it is only one shops decision.....and it will be interesting to see what Tecnica will do, if anything.

Personally, I have a E width foot.....in my experience...I found the Diablo 'last' to be very wide........I could see that after the liner packed out a bit....there would have been side to side slop......which I find to be immensely undesireable.
post #11 of 23
Shen,
I agree with you on your point about the Diablo being on the wide side. Whats funny is this fall at the tecnica clinic the sales rep had a lower from an Icon and a lower from a Diablo that were cut in half, comparing the two I swear the Diablo looked narrower, but when I tried them on I felt the Diablo was wider. I guess it all comes to what the customer needs/wants/likes.
post #12 of 23
Not sure what shop you are dealing with but I switched back to Tecnica this year and love the boot (hated the Icon). Every dealer I talk to tell me they have problems keeping them on the shelf
post #13 of 23
Downsizing in the diablo is something that seems to be relatively universal...for those who found them too wide, did you shell fit and/or downsize as well? Which model diablo did you try? The neoprene toe box with make any length feel snug on the toes.

I do not have a particularly wide food, all my shoes need to be laced up tight. With the toe and midfoot bail in the second latch I get all the squeeze I need. unless these pack out a ton more, then my particular pair of diable fires (which skiing magazine? said was lower volume then the magnessiums) isn't wide at all. They certainly are pretty plush inside and no where near as low volume as a krypton, its odd that there is such a difference in opinion on something relatively concrete like width.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
Just a bit of perspective...not every skier has a skinny, high-arched a/b width foot. Some of us do have Fred Flintstone feet (no arch, 4E width, flat very low instep) and we appreciate a company recognizing this fact so although they may have lost many customers, I know some they have also gained.
Another "sole-mate"; they gained me as a customer as well.
post #15 of 23
anyone here know the sole length of a fire 27.5? i'm trying to see whether i can get them without having to redrill my skis which are set up for my nordica 27.5 gpv's....the tecnica website doesn't list this info. thanks.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by cohenfive
anyone here know the sole length of a fire 27.5? i'm trying to see whether i can get them without having to redrill my skis which are set up for my nordica 27.5 gpv's....the tecnica website doesn't list this info. thanks.
I tried on a 26.5 fire and got a decent fit.....The only 26.5 I've been able to get into. I can't use a Nordica 26.5, so be careful in going right to the same number.

Most bindings can move a fair bit before they need redrilling. Check and see if you have some fore-aft room.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by newfydog
I tried on a 26.5 fire and got a decent fit.....The only 26.5 I've been able to get into. I can't use a Nordica 26.5, so be careful in going right to the same number.

Most bindings can move a fair bit before they need redrilling. Check and see if you have some fore-aft room.
as for fit, i'm not an expert but don't think there's a sure fire way to tell if a boot will be perfect by trying them on in the shop--you can only really tell by a couple of days on the slopes. i tried the fires in my local shop and they felt tight but not terrible and that's likely about as good as they will feel until they hopefully pack out a bit. then again, they could pack out and not be comfortable too...that's the risk.

as for the binding i know, just trying to be sure. i'll check when i get home. heck the boots may be sold by now anyway.
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
I can't just walk into any shop and try on the Race Pro or Magnesium because my foot is small and wide (men's 6 1/2 shoe) and the majority of shops don't carry small sizes in performance or race plug boots because companies don't import a lot of small sizes.

I don't have a skinny A/B width.

I was a 23/23.5 in the TNT and Explosion line. Tried on a 22 in the Icon and it was a little short but just huge in volume, the 23 is way too big.

I love Tecnica's ramp angle and all my old Tecnica's fit out of the box, no adjustments.

Nordica Doberman no good, immediate pinching in the shin, boot too low on calf.

Lange, hate the forward lean.

Krypton, Fischer, don't make a 23, starts at 24. A problem with most boots.
post #19 of 23
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anyone here know the sole length of a fire 27.5?
312 mm
Tecnica has always fit me out of the box...but with any boot, if you are in the wrong shell size, then the boot will eventually be too big. I would be amazed that shops are sending them back as I have two buddies who missed out on the Magnesium (and tried to get the fire) and couldn't find them in any of the shops they called - sold out, sold out, sold out. Fortunately they have lined up pairs for next summer's arrivals.
post #20 of 23
the tnt's i owned seemed a little on the narrow side. personally i wouldn't mind a bit more room from tecnica.

i did have a more serious issue with them though. they blew up while i was using them. as i've heard since, this was a common problem with this model. hopefully it doesn't hold true for the rest of the line.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Shen
When a shop sends the complete line back because of continuous complaints....it is not an individual issue......to me, that is perspective.
If a shop sent back the entire Tecnica line, they had other problems.

As in, perhaps they forgot to try the boots on last year, and perhaps they forgot to buy other lower volume lines.

Tecnica had excellent sell through this year. I welcome you to try and get a pair of Diablos, any model, in any popular size.
post #22 of 23
For many folks ; myself incuded: tecnicas are just the ticket. Saying they are not a good boot b/c they run wide is like claiming NIKE is not a good sneaker b/c they run narrow.
Just as some will never be happy w/ a nike ; others will never be happy w/ a Tecnica!!!
My foot is so wide that my Dobermanns (race boot) & even my older Formula XTs from tecnica failed to overlap when buckle at the instep. Try skiing in pow or slush like that. No problems w/ icons & diablo mag/fire
post #23 of 23
An competent bootfitter with both US/Canadian and Europe experience would probably confirm this:
the average American foot is more often low-volume than the average European foot.
At least that´s what I heard once.
Truth is, I don´t see so many low-volume posts in Europe (Germany/Austria/Switzerland/Czech R.) as here.
The exception might be Italy where men also have smaller and skinnier feet (so that, using an Italian boot test their comments on fit are almost useless for us).
As has been stated already (Jeff Bergeron?), next season´s shells are becoming wider in the forefoot allowing for the combination with snug heel fit.

Another point (a speculation of myself based on the amount of bootfitting talk, articles and posts): the "bootfitting culture" is less developed in Europe. There are less people getting competent bootfitting incl. shell modification over here. A wider boot reducing the risk of pinching etc. might be a generall gain for the industry (not always so for the skier, though).

There may be the "inter-anatomical" difference between the Old and New Worlds, at least to some extent.

Just a hypothesis.
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