EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Mountain/Resort Related Forums › Resorts, Conditions & Travel › Jackson Hole for a group (long)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Jackson Hole for a group (long)

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
What is JH's beginner/advanced beginner/low intermediate terrain like? I was there last weekend, but didn't really pay much attention. I saw some really flat stuff for rank beginners, but what about the next step up?

The reason I ask is, apparently I have been recruited to help plan the next North American ski week (more like 5 days) for my husband's company (a small international firm). I'm not sure how long the tradition has gone on, but the format alternates Europe and N.A. every year. We just returned from Vail; 2003 was Steamboat, 2004 was St Moritz; next year it's Zermatt. 2008 is Lech.

Anyway, there are two other couples involved in the planning. One lives in Colorado, the other has a second home in Vail. They want to go to Vail again, which, admittedly, is a great place for a group like this. It's also easy to plan. But I know that some of the Europeans would kind of like to go somewhere else, since they came to Vail already. I know that if I spent 21 hr traveling like the Finns do, I would like to try another area.

So, back to JH: The group that was in Vail was really quite strong skiers. There were about 2 dozen skiers, mostly Euros, split into guided groups of about 6 or 7 each. One group was off-piste black, one was on-piste black, and another was high blue/low black. The "low" group only had 2 people in it. Obviously the group will change a little bit, but it's generally the same people who come every year.

The main concern that the other planners have about JH was that it would be too tough for some of the lower skiers, or too boring (3 or 4 days on the same few slopes). Other than that, I think JH would be a phenomenal place to bring these guys/gals. It has that uniquely American cowboy aesthetic going on, and it has enough "fancy" restaurants and hotels and spas to satisfy the rich wives (who weren't skiing Vail every day, anyway).

If I push for JH, though, I might end up organizing the thing myself (I'll lose or alienate my helpers, who want Vail for reasons of their own convenience), which is NOT one of my gifts.

Any thoughts?
post #2 of 17
My short answer would be that there isn't a whole lot of terrain for "the next step up". in **my** opinion, JH's blue runs are the most difficult blue runs I've been on with the exception of Sun Valley. However, those Euros are born to ski and they should be able to handle anything JH can throw at them.
post #3 of 17
Greens are generally easy for the grade if you're not affraid of heights (some narrow traverses with drop-offs). Blues are stiff - not a lot of inbetween terrain. You can have them stick with the blues on the Saratoga bowl side of the mountain as these tend to be easier than the blues on the main mountain.Great mountain in general.
post #4 of 17
I got my group to go to JH our trip starts this sunday. I will let you know what the blue/green crew thinks of the place. Being a strong off-piste skier I am thrilled with the choice personally

Alfonse
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K2rider
... However, those Euros are born to ski and they should be able to handle anything JH can throw at them.
I'm not worried about the Euros! It's the whiny Americans I'm stressing about ....
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfonse
I got my group to go to JH our trip starts this sunday. I will let you know what the blue/green crew thinks of the place. Being a strong off-piste skier I am thrilled with the choice personally

Alfonse
Thank you very much! That will be excellent information ....

The good part for the green/blue crew is that they will they'll practically get the guides to themselves, so even if they don't get enough terrain, they'll get great instruction and lots of personal attention. Besides, I don't think this is the group that skis first lift to last lift ANYway, so I don't know why we are worrying about them. But I'm trying to be nice.
post #7 of 17
Seg,

There is plenty of good beg/int terrain off the Apres Vous and Casper lift. I think it is great place for beg/int to start to challenge them. There are plenty of groomers off Apres Vous and the snow can be really good there most of the time. The Casper lift will allow your folks to access some off piste terrain that is not scary steep. It may be a little more challenge than they are used to but the place is so big that they will have time to cover from mistakes

There are also good runs off the Gondola. Just follow Lupine Way down and jump off where you feel comfortable.

Ed
post #8 of 17

it all depends

Jackson is my home Mt. It is easy to get used to the overall tilt of the area after skiing it for 27 season, but really it is one steep mt. In past years I had lots of friends come out for ski weeks. Any timid low level skiers had a tough time with Jackson, even skiing Apres Vous and Casper.

There are not the gentle cruisers that go on for ever like Vail, and I think Steamboat (never skied there). Even Casper seems tough and steep for many in comparision to Vail.

So if you have a tough in shape crew that wants to extend themselves, then Jackson will work. If they are easily scared then it won't.
post #9 of 17
I didn't find Jackson to be anywhere near it's reputation for steepness and would think it could be skied by most if they had a decent guide to keep them on track. Targhee also provides a pretty good escape 1/2 hour away if needed for the really timid.
post #10 of 17
I'm an intermediate sker, and I've had a great time every time I've skied at Jackson. It offers fun intermediate terrain off Apres Vous, Casper, and the Gondola. Targhee's good, too.
post #11 of 17
Had a 3 day trip there a month ago with a group of 68, all abilities, but definitely were a lot of blues. Everybody seemed to have a great time. I was mainly with a small group that skied everywhere, but the blue skiers I talked to had positive things to say. Plus judging from the applause when we got on the bus to head home, seemed to be all smiles.
post #12 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffW
Targhee also provides a pretty good escape 1/2 hour away if needed for the really timid.
I have to disagree. First, Targhee is not a half an hour away - more like an hour and a half. Second, anyone uncomfortable on the blues off of Apres Vous and Casper will also be uncomfortable at Targhee - except off the kid lift (which actually provides access to a super-deluxe beginnner area).
post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by spindrift
I have to disagree. First, Targhee is not a half an hour away - more like an hour and a half. Second, anyone uncomfortable on the blues off of Apres Vous and Casper will also be uncomfortable at Targhee - except off the kid lift (which actually provides access to a super-deluxe beginnner area).
If it takes you an hour and a half to get to Targhee from Jackson, you need to find 2nd gear. We were well under an hour with Teton pass covered in snow, along with the road to Targhee itself.
Also, if someone is over their heads on the groomers at Targhee they should be on the super-deluxe beginners area.
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffW
I didn't find Jackson to be anywhere near it's reputation for steepness and would think it could be skied by most if they had a decent guide to keep them on track. Targhee also provides a pretty good escape 1/2 hour away if needed for the really timid.
Yeehaw!!! You're fast! And, according to your other post, you did it on ice no less. My hat's off to you.

Yahoo recommends allowing 1 hour 13 minutes from Teton Village to Alta. Then, you have another 10 to 15 minutes to Targhee from Alta. it's something around 50 miles all in. I seem to remember that you're supposed to slow down for towns like Victor and Driggs, too. Whatever...

People would be wise to allow more than 30 minutes to travel to Targhee from Jackson. The Yahoo times seem pretty reasonable.
post #15 of 17
Maybe a half hour on a totally dry road at 3:00 in the morning when there's no traffic (and no moose jumping out of the bushes in front of you).

I always figure on an hour to drive from Teton Village to the Targhee parking lot, assuming fairly good driving conditions. A little more if there's a lot of snow on Teton Pass or if you get stuck behind the REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY slow drivers on the Pass (as I always seem to).

I would dearly love to see the driver who could do Jackson to Targhee in a half hour in the winter. :

Oh, and segbrown - given your description of the group, I think JH would be an excellent place to bring them. The majority (better skiers) of your group would have a great time. Not only that, we get low intermediates here all the time and they somehow end up having a wonderful experience. There's a fair amount of skiing on our hill that will work fine for them. Just have them get an instructor who can show them how to access some of the easier skiing.
Bob
post #16 of 17
Well, sorry I guess.
I'll take it back, JH is too steep and Targhee's too far away. My mistake for believing that segbrowns group could go and have good time.:
post #17 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffW
Well, sorry I guess.
I'll take it back, JH is too steep and Targhee's too far away. My mistake for believing that segbrowns group could go and have good time.:
I think you may be taking things a bit personally when they are not meant that way. I believe the concensus is that JH is a great mountain for segbrown's group. Especially if, as Bob says, the group snags an instructor/guide to show the novices/intermediates around.

My two points were specific:

1) If you go to Targhee, most people should allow more than a half an hour for the trip over. Budgeting 1.25 or 1.5 hours allows for snow, slow drivers, waiting for stuck cars to clear on Ski Hilll Road, etc. No point in people on vacation stressing about being late to the hill because of an unrealistic driving time estimate. If the group books on the Targhee Express, this is a non issue because you leave when the bus does...

2) I would not haul a group from JH to GT just because they were intimidated by the basic blues at JH. While GT is somewhat easier on average than JH, I believe that anyone scared of the runs off of Apres Vous or Casper will be just as scared staring down the vast majority of the runs off of Dreamcatcher or Blackfoot at Targhee - & probably Sac to boot (although you and others could reasonably disagree with me on this). I'm not sure that hauling over to GT just to hit the cat track style greens would make sense. It makes sense to hit Targhee because it is usually fun and uncrowded.

As I said, overall I agree with you - JH is a great venue for segbrown's trip.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Resorts, Conditions & Travel
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Mountain/Resort Related Forums › Resorts, Conditions & Travel › Jackson Hole for a group (long)