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post #31 of 41
Originally Posted by BigE
IMO, most people on the slopes overbuy, thinking as they improve, the ski will become more appropriate. The problems are that they won't improve very quickly, in the worst case, not at all. They run the very real risk of learning bad habits because that feels safe. There is nothing doing about how their movements affect the ski's performance at all.
agreed. and there's also the very real issue of wasting one's money, paying for a ski and then using only 25% of the technology paid for, if you know what I mean. it's almost like losing twice, once monetarily and once in your skiing progress.
post #32 of 41
It is my experience that skidders like long and stiff skis because those skis are damp therefore give a smoother ride while skidding. That is too bad because it is harder to learn to carve on longer and/or stiffer skis. In that way, higher performance skis can be a handicap.

On the other hand, skis that like to carve can help skier learn to carve if they understand that carving is the goal. It amazes me how many skiers don't know about carving but each year I see a higher percentage of carvers and I think that is because shaped (better) skis are helping skiers to ski better.

When I was a punk ass kid, about twenty :-), I worked at Mamoth and could ski on a wide variety of skis. It was easier to carve with softer skis and stiffer skis punished me for carving errors. I think the combination made me a better skier which helped me to ski better on better skis. Is that explanation any better than any of the other explanations or am I a better explaner for having tried to explain?

post #33 of 41
One thing that really struck me when skiing at Red Mtn & Whitewater this weekend was how good the majority of the locals were even though most of them were on old equipment. One of the better skiers I saw was a older guy on a pair of long straight skis ripping it up with style and precision I've seldom seen. OTOH at Whistler I see more mediocre skiers struggling on the latest gear. Which BTW, I think I fall into that category

Hmm.... Makes you wonder doesn't it? Is it the skier or the skis? Or is it how big your wallet is?
post #34 of 41
wizard, there's no substitute for time-on-snow!
post #35 of 41
Yes, checkracer, there are things that you can only learn on a ski slightly above you -- more disciplined fore and aft balance immediately comes to mind, especially with the smaller sweetspot.

But I still say that the skier must have the skill to do the moves on the higher level ski already. Moving up merely encourages their refinement; it is not an introduction to basic/new moves.
post #36 of 41
Originally Posted by ssh
wizard, there's no substitute for time-on-snow!
What about all of the time we spend BS'ing here? :
post #37 of 41
Think of it this way....

Skiers on too high a level ski will not be able to go on more difficult terrain period - and thus will never get better at that terrain. I know quite a few people - especially here out West - that have these monster skis but will never touch trees, super steeps or a mogul field to save their lives. If they were on say the Atomic R9 I had for my old East coast tree and bump skiing, they would be able to go on those trails and while they wouldn't light the World on fire at first, at least they would be in them and over time they would learn the proper skills needed to excel at them.

With that said - I had the base skills to do anything when I came out here - but I've since upped the level of my skis which have taken me to a whole new level on some crazy ass terrain....my beefy new 180 cm Machete Souls, in 3 weeks, have improved my steeps and chute skiing to a point I never thought I would ever be at ....

moral of the story - get the best ski that you are able to while still being able to do all the terrain you want to (without dying)...for most that means staying away from the Gotamas!!
post #38 of 41
I think todays skis have such a larger performance window that must solid intermediates can get on any "expert" ski and have fun and the same as an expert getting on a good intermediate ski (specialty skis excluded: Spatulas, B5, Shorty slalom, ect).

Boots are the key.
post #39 of 41
dude - one of the nastiest skiers in summit county skis on a pair of two different length skis - I dont even think they are the same ski.

you either can rip or you cant.
post #40 of 41
Do better skis require an awareness of how to roll, load, flex, and carve the ski? Or just slide around with ease?
post #41 of 41
Sluff: If your technique is solid (good carving skills), you'll benefit from better skis.

If you're a slider (skidding turns), then a great carving ski will actually work against you.

Others on this thread have said it better than me: good skills + good skis = pure magic.
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