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post #31 of 51
When I take that cut through I just tuck and go so don't feel bad.[/quote]

I agree, the faster your go the less time you have to be hit by someone. Right?
If your skiing fast your harder to hit. We all know it's hard to hit a moving target.


But in real life, people need to be aware that they are not the only ones using the snow.
post #32 of 51
OK, where are all the "if it was MY kid, you would have ended up in the hospital" responses I've seen on threads where the poster's kid was hit? NOW it's "oh, accidents happen, don't be so hard on yourself..."
post #33 of 51
I don't have kids so I don't have that protective parent tuff guy thing going on.
post #34 of 51
NOT YOUR FAULT! That's why they're called moving gates. Not that this will make you feel better, this is the most dangerous skiing! This is what just about happened to me in december. Coming through a funnel zone of green and blue trails, a novice skier cam right across the fall line directly in forn of me. There is not much you can do and if you were going slow or fast, the result could have just as easily been the same, it's just the timing. No one got hurt and you did the repsonsible thing.
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by MilesB
OK, where are all the "if it was MY kid, you would have ended up in the hospital" responses I've seen on threads where the poster's kid was hit? NOW it's "oh, accidents happen, don't be so hard on yourself..."
I think the difference on this one is the person stated he was skiing slow, in control, and didn't see the child ahead. Knowing the trail, it would be difficult to ski more than 5-10mph, even if skating hard. If he hit the child from behind, he is at fault, but not from being derelict and ignoring common sense. Sounds like something out of the ordinary happened- most likely dumb luck.
post #36 of 51
Ask the parent of that kid, and it's likely he/she would claim that Strider was going too fast, out of control and hit the kid from behind. And might even add that he was unremorseful and rude.

And if you turned the tables and asked the "out of control speeding a-hole idiots" that hit some of our forum members' kids what happened, I bet that their version of the event would sound much like Strider's.
Remember, 3 sides to every story.
post #37 of 51
If Stryder was an a-hole then he wouldn't feel bad and actually post about it after the fact.
post #38 of 51
I didn't say he was.
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by Scalce
When I take that cut through I just tuck and go so don't feel bad.
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I am not talking about that run in particular.
I think when you read these two statement together you can see my confusion.

BTW, I never questioned your "right to tuck", whether you were a responsible skier, or whether you made erratic movements.

As a side note in case anyone out there's wondering, just because you're not "responsible" for an act, doesn't mean you can't play a role in avoiding the act.

stryder--The simple fact you care shows me a lot about you. "Things" do happen out there.
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by MilesB
Ask the parent of that kid, and it's likely he/she would claim that Strider was going too fast, out of control and hit the kid from behind. And might even add that he was unremorseful and rude.

And if you turned the tables and asked the "out of control speeding a-hole idiots" that hit some of our forum members' kids what happened, I bet that their version of the event would sound much like Strider's.
Remember, 3 sides to every story.
Agreed, but when the terrain prohibits a high-speed collision, it makes it easier to accept the story presented. As opposed to this post from the same area last Saturday... http://www.sundayriver.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4281

"I hit a little girl at full speed on Lalla Saturday. Heard a metal clanging noise from my binding and looked down for a second and looked back up and bang! Just had time to grab her and "move" her aside so she didn't get the full impact from me. Never even saw her until it was too late. So I slammed pretty good, hat & goggles went flying. She was balling and I went over and helped her put her skiis back on and apologized repeatedly. Now I was dreading a lecture from the parents, but the dad was actually fine and asked if I was ok. That was like 2nd run of the day!"

The trail is "green" and wide open (50 yards wide maybe) the whole way with a few steeper pitches. Actually it is probably more of a low intermediate trail, but the only way down to a major hotel complex. It is quite possible the poster could have been going 20-30mph+ depending where he was. His post doesn't give me any reason to suspect that it won't happen again. ...it was the binding's fault.
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by Coach13
I think when you read these two statement together you can see my confusion.

BTW, I never questioned your "right to tuck", whether you were a responsible skier, or whether you made erratic movements.

As a side note in case anyone out there's wondering, just because you're not "responsible" for an act, doesn't mean you can't play a role in avoiding the act.

stryder--The simple fact you care shows me a lot about you. "Things" do happen out there.
My bad. You are correct

I know you weren't questioning my "right to tuck" but I am always very safe and very aware of what is going on while skiing. I know accidents happen but I am not going to skate uphill instead of trying to get through a flat and slightly uphill cut through by cutting down my wind resistance.

We are not talking about a fast tuck here. It only makes about a +/- 5mph difference on Jungle Road if you are lucky.

This kid had to have done something very sudden for Stryder not to have seen him prior to the collision. It is not a wide run and you can usually hear people overtaking you.
post #42 of 51
We've all been there, there isn't much that can be done but to react as to minimize the fallout.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by MilesB
OK, where are all the "if it was MY kid, you would have ended up in the hospital" responses I've seen on threads where the poster's kid was hit? NOW it's "oh, accidents happen, don't be so hard on yourself..."
I have to agree with MilesB here. If it had been a boarder instead of stryder riding skis, the chorus of posts slamming "those damned beer-drinking, pot-smoking, body-pierced, foul mouthed, under-employed, immature, self-centered boarders" would have been deafening. The hypocrisy here is stunning.

Accidents happen. Sounds like stryder was reasonable. No criticism of stryder on my part. None at all. I'm just slamming the people here who would have been ragging on boarders the world over, had someone described a similar collision involving a boarder and a kid on skis.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by spindrift
I have to agree with MilesB here. If it had been a boarder instead of stryder riding skis, the chorus of posts slamming "those damned beer-drinking, pot-smoking, body-pierced, foul mouthed, under-employed, immature, self-centered boarders" would have been deafening. The hypocrisy here is stunning.
Hmmm. Would you be willing to point out the instances that have been discussed here where a boarder was cruising along at slow speed, was cut into by a small child, apologized profusely, and was heavily criticized? I don't remember that one or even one similar involving a boarder that we've discussed here.

Don't just read skier vs boarder and draw conclusions. The circumstances and stryder's behavior after the fact, are what differentiate this instance from most of the others I've seen described on this site, IMO.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by spindrift
I have to agree with MilesB here. If it had been a boarder instead of stryder riding skis, the chorus of posts slamming "those damned beer-drinking, pot-smoking, body-pierced, foul mouthed, under-employed, immature, self-centered boarders" would have been deafening. The hypocrisy here is stunning.
Not on my end. The jack a's on my S-list now are the punk twin-tippers at my area. There's a pack of 'em that cruise the trails (and the parks) and generally cause trouble wherever they go. They like to chew up the railings at the base lodges, jump on the picnic tables with people sitting at them, slide across the deck and into the building through doors they hold open, cut into the front of the lift line from the singles line- stuff like that. Trying to recruit a "posse" so we can take them "out back" and get rid of them. Area employees kindly ask them to stop when they see them... not gonna work- they're there every weekend.

I have no bias against "boarders"; however, I still see more boarders taking people down than skiers.
post #46 of 51
I was skiing on an extremely crowded green trail feeding down into a lift. I had skiers on my immediate left and right with a 12 year old boarder in front of me. We are all going the same slow speed of about 10MPH. I am completely boxed in. The boarder right in front of me decides to just sit down and stop. Ahhhhh $hit.

Now this child violated rule "3. You must not stop where you obstruct a trail or are not visible from above." On the other hand it is my responsibility to "1. Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects. 2. People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them. "

So in this case we would be both at fault for any collision.

I did not hit the child. I was extremely guarded and very alert do to the very very crowded conditions. I did a jump turn on a green trail landed on me edges and covered the child with snow. I had no other options other than block the skiers to the left and right of me.

I just want to point out that in today's environment there is a good chance you may do jail time for hitting a child. A 200 lb adult hitting a 4 year old child can do significant bodily harm and even death. You could try to tell the judge "skiing is dangerous, there are no traffic lights, people can't be psychic and know where everyone else intends to go at all times, even when skiing perfectly in control and at safe speed." but there still going to throw you in jail.
post #47 of 51
I smacked into a 6-year old girl a few years ago. She was with the junior weekend race program, and was carving S-shaped arcs, and I was doing the same. She was arcing a turn right at speed, I was carving left-we came head-on into each other! I was ending my turn, and all of the sudden, I was staring right into someone else looking at me too! We glanced off of each other and both went down. She was okay, but her training group didn't notice, so they kept skiing down the hill. I gave her a ride down on my back-and she was okay with it. Even though it really wasn't anybody's fault, just one of those things that happens, I still felt bad about hitting her. She did enjoy getting a lift down the hill, though! She said hi to me the next weekend when she saw me on the hill again, and I skied with her coach a few weeks later, so there weren't any hard feelings.
post #48 of 51
It would be nice if major resorts had expert only trails leading down to the base area (even if they weren't steep, mark them expert only) for more experienced skiiers to bomb down at the end of the day without worrying about plowing over people doing erratic turns. Sunshine Village has two ski outs to the base area, one is marked blue/black and one is green. The blue/black one is usually low traffic and you can bomb the whole thing without turning without worrying about accidents.
post #49 of 51
WOW Stryder Sounds like a freaky accident!! Down hill skier has right of way but must first check uphill before entering the flow! So it probably was the kids fault!!
or the parents fault Dont know the area but sound like pretty tight quarters. Be glad no one was hurt!!!
For anyones information that cares hitting another skier is considered an assualt!!


"He who hesitates skis crud!!!""
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by Bonni
I've collided with a child, too, at ESA1. . . .
I also had a run in with a 7 year old or so . . . It's like the Autobahn in spots.....really ugly.
Accidents happen. That's why they're called that. Just glad everyone is ok.
Yikes Bonnie! "Oh what the Hell, accidents happen." I knew you were dangerous. I'll have to keep an eye out for you and wear my helmet when I'm at Okemo.

Stryder, get over it, you wuss. You should've slapped that little brat for cutting you off. At least then he might learn something. Obviously, his "progressive" parents don't discipline the little b@$t@rd.
post #51 of 51
Stryder says the parents were right there when it happened. It's pretty clear to me that the accident is their fault -- a five year old kid is not responsible for his own actions, legally or morally. That's why we don't give them driver's licenses. It seems pretty clear to me that the kid shot out of the trail's edge in front of Stryder, so how is that Stryder's fault? If a driver runs a red light and crosses my path and I hit him, is it my fault? I don't think so.

By the way, does anyone know if ski resorts keep data on the number of accidents/collisions per skier? I think they should be required to report that information, just as colleges and universities are now required to report their crime statistics publicly. It would make a difference on where I choose to ski...
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