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2006 Nordica HotRod, the ski.

post #1 of 37
Thread Starter 
Date: 2/8/05
Weather: Cloudy to partly cloudy
Ski Area: Copper Mountain
Conditions: 3-5" fresh on groomer, more in trees. Temps +/-15
Skier: Me, 184, 5'9", 22 yrs skiing experience, age=61 3/4
Level: 8+
Size: 170

Dealer demo day at Copper this week, I'm just getting back on skis after a rotator cuff rebuild last November and ACL reconstruction last February. I only skied the top two of the 2006 HotRod series, the Modified and the Top Fuel.

Don't remember the exact dimensions, but approximately:
Modified: (+/-)112-74-(+/-)100, radius 16 meters
Top Fuel: 123-78-(+/-) 110? radius 16.

Impressions:
Modified-Skied this on blues that were tracked up, Timberline Chair. Very smooth ski in crud and chopped up powder. Forgiving with a large large sweet spot, arcs nicely on harder skied off sections when you put it on edge and will skid when you want it to. A nice fun ski for high intermediate to expert skiers just getting into fatter ski's that turns easily. Didn't ski it super fast since I'm protecting my shoulder, but it should arc well at pretty high speeds. Moderate flex. Didn't ski this in the trees or bumps but think it would work well in both conditions.

Top Fuel: Skied this on the same blues on Timberline lift, open trees off American Flyer and blue bumps on Eye Dropper. Chopped up powder and crud. I liked this ski!! Stiffer and more demanding than the modified with the same large sweet spot. Great in the crud, and chopped up powder we had today. Likes to arc when you put them on edge and feels like it wants to go fast. Worked surprisingly well in the soft bumps for a 78mm waisted ski and floats smoothly in as expected in the chopped up powder. Turns tight enough for open to moderately tight trees, but feels like it wants to rip if you let it. An excellent ski for advanced and expert skiers.

I liked the Top Fuel enough that it's a serious contender for my all round ski next year. Both ski's graphics matched my new HotRod boots beautifully. Now if I can just learn to ski like a girl when I follow Katy Perry into the trees I'd be a happy camper.

Both of these ski's are smooth and damp and Nordica's X-Balance system works as advertised. Not as lively, arcy or unforgiving as my Fischer WC SC's.

Love these demo days, just wish I was healthy enough to let them rip.

Next years Nordia's are definitely worth trying when they come out if you're looking for a ski in this category.

bong
post #2 of 37
Note: bong liked the Modified a whole lot, too. He just liked the Top Fuel better! How do I know? Could be the various joyous sounds I heard him making as he skied on them!
post #3 of 37
If anyone is interested in this ski "Hot Rod - Top Fuel", I have a brand new pair of 178cm's for sale. Check out www.nordicacanada.com for details on the ski. Let me know if you have any questions.
post #4 of 37

Nordica Top Fuel

Small world! I also just demoed the Nordica Top Fuel today. What a phenomenal ski!! Does everthing well: short turns, long turns, crud, powder, no chatter at speed. And can this ski ever carve! Just roll your feet and knees and carve, carve, carve. This is the best overall ski that I have ever been on. Dimensions: 123/78/108 16m radius. I skied on the 170. I am 65 years old, 5 11 and 225+ lbs. I am a level 8 skier (former instructor). I have two other pair of skis: Atomic SL 9:12's at 160 and Solomon Crossmax 10 Pilots at 175. I'm going to sell them both and buy the Nordicas.
Patprof
post #5 of 37
I find the return to sandwich construction very interesting. Having followed the engineering when the industry went to caps, I'm curious about the return to sandwich. What does it do for the skis?

BTW, I am looking forward to trying the Nordicas. Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to participate in the trade fair this year. Perhaps next year...
post #6 of 37
The return to sandwich does a few things for the skis and for the manufacturers. First off, it is much cheaper for the maufacturers to produce in different dimensions - so it is easy to change a mold. It is also very easy to change the flex of skis, and determine exact flex characteristics, by changing the thickness of various materials inside the ski... or by adding layers or removing layers. They alos offer a feel to the ski that no other type of construction can offer. Because every layer is laid on op of the next, energy is transmitted and weight is loaded onto the entire ski, where-as in a cap design much of the load bearing structure is the cap.

Later

GREG
post #7 of 37
Greg, of course those things are true, but the original idea behind the cap was to more effectively transfer forces to the edge instead of having the energy transfer weakened by transmission through the layers. Perhaps this is part of what also dampens the ski (energy transmitted back from the snow goes through that same weakening), but it's not clear to me that sandwich construction is inherently "better" (or "worse"). It feels like "back to the future" to me, and seems like it may be a bit of marketing buzz without a lot of reality mixed in.

That said, bong really liked the Nordicas. I have always really liked the Kästles, so I'm going to have to get onto these new Nordies to see what I think. I bet I'll like 'em!
post #8 of 37

Kästle makes Nordica?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
...bong really liked the Nordicas. I have always really liked the Kästles, so I'm going to have to get onto these new Nordies to see what I think.
Pardon my ignorance, but what you said intrigued me and I remember hearing it before: does Kästle actually make all Nordica skis? And, related question - do they still make any skis under the "Kästle" label for sale in Europe?
post #9 of 37
Thread Starter 
Don't think so, Benneton (sp?) brought Kastle under the Nordica name and consolidated the brands before the current owners. The Nordica site shows international and USA links. Nordica

Doing a google the latest link I can find mentioning Kastle skis in 97-98. I'll ask the rep next time I see him if they use the old Kastle producation facilities.

BTW, Both models are very good, I liked the Top Fuel better for all around expert skiing here in CO. The Modified is a more forgiving ski with plenty of performance and slightly narrower.

Steve, if we don't get you a demo before I get mine you can ski the ones I get.

bong
post #10 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by bong
Steve, if we don't get you a demo before I get mine you can ski the ones I get.

bong
I was counting on it!
post #11 of 37

Comparative length/stiffness question

Sounds like an interesting ski to try out.

Reading this thread, I'm curious. Several posters mentioned their fondness for the 170cm length Hot Rods.

But, with regards to another ski with similar dimensions - the Atomic Metron - a number of people seem to concur on the stiffer Metron models (the B5 and EX at least) being much better in shorter lengths. There are a large number of posts from folks saying that the Metron B5 is great in a 162 or 164 - but that the 178 size, for example, is 'too much'. Contrast that to the lighter, softer-flexing Metron M:9 where the general consensus seems to be that the ski can easily be skied in longer lengths (170cm and up).

I'm curious where the Hot Rods will fit into this, in terms of the relationship between stiffness/length? My guess is they are slightly softer than the B5's - closer to either the Metron M:10's or M:9's - and hence can be skied optimally by more skiers in the (slightly) longer lengths...?

Has anyone skied both different Metrons and Hot Rods and care to comment on this?
post #12 of 37
MiguelATF, you have the correct conclusion, I believe, but the other part is that the dimensions of the Hot Rods are not as extreme as the M:b5 or M:11. As a result, you'll ski them in a bit longer lengths. In addition, the Hot Rods are a bit more of a classic design, no extra materials like the Puls or the beta 5 Mg channels, so length helps to address the resulting engineering issues.
post #13 of 37

2006 Nordica Hot Rods - for sale

I won a pair of these beauties the other night, but sadly can't keep them since I have screwed up my knee and am out for the season, so if anyone is interested in buying them... please contact me. You won't be able to beat my price I promise.

BTW, they're the 178s with the X Balance system (no bindings though), unused of course and in perfect condition.

Happy skiing to all of those out there with fully-working limbs.
post #14 of 37
Boycie
Damn! Where were you when I needed you? Just bought a new pair-still waiting their arrival.
Patprof
post #15 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
Greg, of course those things are true, but the original idea behind the cap was to more effectively transfer forces to the edge....
I recall it being that the original idea behind the cap construction was to tell the customer more energy would be transferred to the edge and thus being able to charge the customer more $$$ for the ski which pretended to be better while actually the real benefit of the construction was it removed one manufacturing step (adding the sidewall) thereby reducing the $$$ to manufacturing the ski, thus the manufacutor's profit increased by $$$$$.

I saw some old skis cut up to make those chairs the other day. Looking at the cross-section, it's obvious that the cap is just a soft peice of plastic that covers the top and sides of the skis bearing no structural benefit. Whether this is true of all cap skis, I don't know.
post #16 of 37
How would this ski compare to a '03 Rossi Bandit X 184cm off piste? I met a gentleman this weekend who just got a pair of Top Fuels...great review from him. Does the modified version still say "Top Fuel" on the tail?

I ski bumps 95% of the day and the wider/shorter skis have me curious. I skied the Atomic M10 this weekend in a 164 and even though I thought the ski was a little stiff I was very impressed with how quick the ski turned...made me look better than the Bandits The Atomic also required a lot less effort than my Bandits (I know...164 right) and I did not fatigue on the Atomics like I usually do on the Rossis. Thanks for any feedback!
post #17 of 37

Nordicak Hot Rods for sale

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsteel
If anyone is interested in this ski "Hot Rod - Top Fuel", I have a brand new pair of 178cm's for sale. Check out www.nordicacanada.com for details on the ski. Let me know if you have any questions.
Hi, are your skis still available?
post #18 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ777
How would this ski compare to a '03 Rossi Bandit X 184cm off piste? I met a gentleman this weekend who just got a pair of Top Fuels...great review from him. Does the modified version still say "Top Fuel" on the tail?
Actually, I misspoke previously... the Modified says "Hot Rod" and "Modified". Only the "Top Fuel" says "Top Fuel" on the tail...
post #19 of 37

Top Fuel

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsteel
If anyone is interested in this ski "Hot Rod - Top Fuel", I have a brand new pair of 178cm's for sale. Check out www.nordicacanada.com for details on the ski. Let me know if you have any questions.

I am intersted in your skis
post #20 of 37
Interested in purchasing a pair of these skis. How much are you asking and are they still unused. Please e-mail me a quote at edwadon@navcanada.ca. Thanks.
post #21 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by AZ777
Does the modified version still say "Top Fuel" on the tail?
The ski will say what model they are on the tail, respectively;
Top Fuel
Nitrous
Modified
Eliminator

These skis ROCK! Just for comparison, I am 150lbs, 5'8" and a girl...I rocked the 170 Top Fuels. I just can't get enough of this ski! With the very first run I had the biggest grin, I think I may have even laughed it was so much fun!
post #22 of 37
Thanks, VT girl. What type of terrain did you ski these Top Fuels?
post #23 of 37
The Top fuels are suddenly all over the place (see other thread). Everyone seems to love 'em.

It sounds like the Hot Rods are similar in some respects to the Metron B:5's, beefy, wide underfoot and fairly radical shape.

However, as SSH said, the Top Fuel isn't as extreme in shape as the Metrons, hence may not be designed to ski quite as short.

Like Miguel, I'd like to read a full review from someone who's plumbed the depths of both the Top Fuels and Metron B:5's.
post #24 of 37

Warning!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by boycie
BTW, they're the 178s with the X Balance system (no bindings though), unused of course and in perfect condition.
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DO NOT BUY SYSTEM SKIS WITHOUT THE BINDINGS!!! System skis without bindings are highly suspect, from any manufacturer. You will not be able to purchase bindings separately for those skis. All system skis are brought into the country one to one with the bindings and are shipped that way to the shops/reps. You cannot purchase just the skis or the bindings, they are only available as a package. DO NOT BUY SYSTEM BINDINGS WITHOUT THE SKIS.
post #25 of 37
Strato, the shape isn't nearly as radical as a Metron B5. Its about a 15/16meter ski.
post #26 of 37
is there a woman's version of the hot rod? or am i dreaming? my gf would be interested in those skis if it came in 140-150
post #27 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strider
is there a woman's version of the hot rod? or am i dreaming? my gf would be interested in those skis if it came in 140-150
As far as I know, the Modifieds and Eliminators are being offered from a 154 to a 178. The Nitrous and Top Fuel are offered in a 162 through 186.
post #28 of 37
oh nice
i dont seem to be able to find any infos on the hot rods except from www.nordicacanada.com which doesnt tell me much about the others in it's line.
can someone link me?
how does the modified ski in terms of forgiveness and difficulty to turn? has any female skied it? (for my gf)
post #29 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by patprof
Small world! I also just demoed the Nordica Top Fuel today. What a phenomenal ski!! Does everthing well: short turns, long turns, crud, powder, no chatter at speed. And can this ski ever carve! Just roll your feet and knees and carve, carve, carve. This is the best overall ski that I have ever been on. Dimensions: 123/78/108 16m radius. I skied on the 170. I am 65 years old, 5 11 and 225+ lbs. I am a level 8 skier (former instructor). I have two other pair of skis: Atomic SL 9:12's at 160 and Solomon Crossmax 10 Pilots at 175. I'm going to sell them both and buy the Nordicas.
Patprof
I got my Top Fuels on Fri. and skied them all weekend. Patprof's review is right on the money. This ski is a blast. My other two pairs are 67 and 70 mm underfoot and I was a little worried about making quick short turns, but had no problem. They are fast. Obviously not a race ski with their wide demensions, but I took a half second off my best NASTAR time with them on Sunday.
post #30 of 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by MiguelATF
Pardon my ignorance, but what you said intrigued me and I remember hearing it before: does Kästle actually make all Nordica skis? And, related question - do they still make any skis under the "Kästle" label for sale in Europe?
Miguel,

In addition to Bong's info, I can tell you that current Nordica ski production takes place at the Elan factory in Slovenia. You'll notice the constructions are very similar.

They claim to make some race skis in Italy, but I've never seen a pair with "made in Italy' on them, not that it matters.
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