Those are both good choices (I think the Patagonia is nicer). Other good choices: similar designs by Marmot, Mt Hardwear (I have one of their jackets that was discontinued this year that is great), Cloudveil, Arcteryx. REI fleece jackets are really nice, too, and a good buy. Definitely try them on, both alone and under your shell- different brands fit very differently. You will need to decide what features you like- if you get hot easily, look for pit zips, if cold easily, look for a snugging cord at the neck and hem. If yo carry a pack or climb, consider shoulder and elbow patches of some sort of abrasion resistant nylon. You should also decide about fabric. There are a few different variations on Polarfleece out there- Thermal Pro is like the older 200 weight in weight but warmer and more compactable. Wind Pro is more densly woven, and more wind resistant, but perhaps a little less breathable if you are really overheated.
[ November 13, 2003, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: dp ]