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post #1 of 25
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When I first started reading the threads in this forum (Dec 2004) to help decide which ski to buy, I was impressed by the opinions of skis like the Metrons, Fischer RX8, Elan S12, Volkl 5* & 6*, and even last year's Atomic R:11 (the metron 10 was the only ski on this list that I was able to demo----didn't impress me, but it may have been a bad tune).

Up to now, I didn't consider the probability that most of the "reviewers" here were expert skiers in their 30's, 40's, and maybe early 50's. Maybe, their opinions aren't valid for me. I'm 62, in good shape, an advanced skier (resumed skiing a couple of years ago after about a 25 year lay off), just starting to learn the modern technique. I don't want to fool myself, I like to ski fast, but I don't want the ski to wear me out. I've read elswhere, e.g. SkiPress, that the RX8 and 6* are for experts only, and this kind of scared me off although opinions in this forum seem to contradict this (maybe because the skiers here are experts still in the prime of life).

I don't want to imply that I'm on my last leg and just want an easy way to get down the hill. I would describe my style as aggressive, but as one gets older the ability to rebound decreases. I don't want a ski beneath me, but I also don't want one so far above me that it'll be a chore to handle. I'm no expert, but I'm better than an intermediate.Would any of the skis I listed fit my description, or, is there one that would be better?

I know from experience that members here try to be helpful. I would appreciate advice from anyone, but especially from skiers similar to me.
post #2 of 25
I'm 54 so I do understand what you are talking about. One of the things i like about the k2 line is the mod dampening system. I seem to get less tired out on my K2, I have the XP and use to have the Mod X. Another ski That i really found to be rewarding and worthy in The dynastar Leagand 8000. I have not been a big Dynastar fan untill i demoed this ski. The volkl 5 and or 6 star would be in my my quiver if I were skiing the east. By the way I ski a couple of times a month with some skiers that are in age from 65 to 70 something skiers. Great group and all kick ass skiers. They let me know that I can be doing this well into my 70's and beyond.
post #3 of 25
w-k,
I'm 61, will be 62 in May. Was full certified (L3) in the late 70's and let it lapse, working my way back up and now a L2. I've skied and owned the 5*, Nordica SUV12 2003-04, etc and think that skis of that class work well for advanced skiers or our age who are strong and athletic.

Try the Nordica Speed Machine 14 and 12 as well as the SUV 14-12 if you can find them to demo. These ski's are underrated by the ski press. I was on SUV12's last year until my son skied them. Guess where they are now!!

I'm currently skiing on 2003-04 Fischer WC4 SC's, a slalom carver, in 160 and love them. Will probably be going to something like a Nordica Speed Machine 14 after I get back to work on the hill when my doc gives the ok. (Recovering from shoulder surgery in Nov.)

The 6* may be a little stiffer and less forgiving than the RX8. PM ssh he may be able to give you more insight on this comparison.

Buy what feels good to you and take a few lessons. The transition to new technique isn't difficult if you let the ski's do the work and you'll be skiing more effectively with less effort once you get it.

bong
post #4 of 25
Head monster iM70's and 75 get good reviews as skis that work well and don't beat you up. I have the 70's and love them. I'm 51 for what its worth.

I've been meaning to try the 6* and 5* just haven't gotten around to it.
post #5 of 25
No worries mate. If you know how to tip the skis and let them do the work an RX8 or similar will not tire you out.
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
I do ski in the East exclusively.

I didn't say it originally , but I was leaning toward the Elan S12 ( was hoping that someone would recommend it and confirm my feeling). Would it be a mistake? The RX8 also intrigues me (especially because of the raving reviews here). It was the ski that, earlier in my research, was #1 on my list. But, comments like, "its ONLY for experts", and "its hard to ski" put me off.

From Utah49: "One of the things i like about the k2 line is the mod dampening system. I seem to get less tired out on my K2, I have the XP and use to have the Mod X." and also "volkl 5 and or 6 star would be in my my quiver if I were skiing the east."
I was seriously considering the ApacheX and Crossfire, but a salesman at one of my local ski stores said that he, personally, didn't think much of the quality of skis made in China ( btw, the store did sell K2's). This made me think that some of the other brands may be better, so I eliminated K2. Concerning the Volkls, originally I was turned on by the 6*, but as bong commented "The 6* may be a little stiffer and less forgiving". This made me think that the 5* might be more suitable. But then I'm worried that the 5* might not give me room to improve (maybe a pipe dream for a 62 year old??) or stability at speed.

Considering what I 've said so far, plus the fact that I'd like a short turning, fast, stable ski that can handle the Eastern crud ---- if you were me, would you choose the S12, RX8, or 5*?
post #7 of 25
All three are excellent. I had the 5* the first year they came out and didn't find a speed limit on them. They'll give you plenty of room to improve.

In your original post you mentioned that you've only demo'd the Metron 10. Why are you leaning towards the S12 if you haven't skied it? It's a good ski in the same class of all you've mentioned, but each ski has a personality and you'll want the one that suits your style. At this level there aren't many bad ski's out there.

Demo the contenders and pick your favorite. If you like some equally, pick the one you can get the best deal on. If you demo you won't have nagging doubts that perhaps another contender was better for you. It's money and effort well spent.

I prefer fast demanding ski's. You may not.

DEMO-DEMO-DEMO
post #8 of 25
Hello, werekong... The question is whether you like a livelier ski or one that is a bit damper. If you like lively, give the RX8 a try (RX9 if you like longer turns). If you like a bit damper, I'd suggest the Nordica SpeedMachine 14 or SUV 12/14 or the Elan S12 (which is a really great ski!). For the ultimate in versatility, you might want to try the Atomic Metron:b5. I would suggest trying the M:10, again, too.
post #9 of 25
I have Rx6's and I am about as bland a blue-runner that there is. My goal is skiing is to have fun and show up for work on Monday. I ski blue cruisers 90% of the time and easy blacks the rest. I am not a "hot dog" and by no means an expert or a recer.

True, they are more ski than I need, but they are certainly not too much ski for me either. I really love them.

If you can demo that would be great, if not, I would not be worried the Rx6 (I cannot comment about the other skis in your list) is too much for you...I also do not think you'ld get tireed of it and want to move on either.

-Scott
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hi SSh, you've replied to my past threads ----- before I realized exactly what I needed and why. Now, as I have described in this thread, I have come to realize that I need a ski that is less demanding (one of the drawbacks of getting older!). However, I don't want to give up stability at speed. I assume from your response, that I probably can't go wrong with the SUV 12 or Elan S12. Can I add the 5* and further assume that my final decision should be based on price?

For bong:
You asked why I was leaning toward the S12.
A ski instructor at a local shop gave me his views on skis. He skied Volants in the past and loved them. This year he's skiing the Elan M666 and wouldn't give them up for anything. I didn't think that I wanted a Mid-fat so he suggested the S12. I did some research on them and liked what I read.
I agree that demoing is best. I went to a local mountain yesterday that advertised a demo day. Turns out that they had 3 brands available, none that really interested me (besides, they didn't have the right size for me). That was a disappointment. Also, none of my local shops give the option of demoing. I guess I'm going to have to rely on research and advice. Hopefully what you said is true, I probably can't go wrong with any of the skis I'm considering.

I've found that another aspect of getting older (besides the obvious physical limitations) is that you tend to take more time making decisions, considering all options ---- some people say analysis paralysis. I used to make on the spot decisions but not anymore. I want to do as much as I can to insure that I get exactly what I need. I guess that that's good --- at least to some extent.
post #11 of 25
Thread Starter 
Scott,
I had considered the Rx6 (after I thought that the RX8 was too much of a ski). But, I thought that the RX6 might be too little (in terms of stability at speed). Now you've given me something more to think about!
post #12 of 25
werekong, the SUV 12 would be comparable to the Elan S10 and the RX6 and 5*. The SUV 14 would be comparable to the Elan S12 (confusing, I know), which is comparable to the RX8 and 6*. Actually, I think that the SpeedMachine is closer to those than the SUV, but Rusty would be a better person to answer that.

If you'd like my take on all of these, you could check my demo reviews from both this year and last year. You may also find my expansion on the RX8 review of interest, as well as my RX8 and b5 expansions this year.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
SSh, I've read most, if not all, of your reviews. In fact, your reviews played a large part in my "list". One clarification questioln: When you say that the Elan S12, RX8, and 6* are "comparable" do you mean that they are equally demanding? I was under the impression that The S12 was less demanding than either the RX8 or 6*. In SkiPress the RX8 and 6* are in the high performance category while the S12 is in the sport category. I realize that different sources rank/categorize skis differently, that's what's confusing.

If the S12 is as demanding as the other two, then maybe I should stick to the other four (SUV 12, S10, RX6, and 5*). What is your opinion on how these would rank in terms of a ski that that has all of the following qualities: stable at speed, good at short turns, and able to handle Eastern crud (I assume that all are relatively forgiving) --- the ski best in these 3 qualities = 1, etc.. I guess it's possilible to have some of the skis or all of the skis equal, or close to equal.
post #14 of 25
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Have reread past threads and I may have come full circle --- the RX8 -- just so many rave reviews! If someone can tell me, is this too much ski for a fairly athletic 62 year old that wants to ski aggressively, and then late in the day to take it a little easier? If its for experts only, or relatively young (read, in great shape) skiers, then I'll dismiss it and move on.
post #15 of 25
I really think you should try the RX8 and see if it is really too demanding or if this is an advertising attempt to flatter people into buying the ski (or not have it dismissed for being too forgiving and hence not beefy enough). I did not notice it being demanding at all. Don't forget that you will likely be buying it in a shorter length than you used to ski. I demoed a 170cm; my old skis are 208s.

If you are really worried, I can say that I had last year's Rossi 9S Oversize all to myself for a day on the ski hill, and had occasion to really push the envelope to the point where I was making mistakes. IMHO, these skis are very forgiving and easy to ski; I did things that should have set me on my head, and was completely forgiven.

Also, now that you've almost made up your mind, I will mention that I finally got all my ski canada mags, and they reveiw skis with a "target". The 9S Oversize is "targetted" at blue squares to double diamonds, as is the Head I.SL CHIP. (reviews in November issue, but may be available on line www.skicanadamag.com )
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by werekong
Have reread past threads and I may have come full circle --- the RX8 -- just so many rave reviews! If someone can tell me, is this too much ski for a fairly athletic 62 year old that wants to ski aggressively, and then late in the day to take it a little easier? If its for experts only, or relatively young (read, in great shape) skiers, then I'll dismiss it and move on.
Honestly, I think that you'll love them. You could go a little shorter to make them easier to "throw around" when you get tired.

I don't think of myself as "young" at almost 44, but you likely do. I am largely sendentary weekdays, so am not in the shape that many of my OHG friends are! These skis do not beat up the skier. They can skid all you want, carve all you want, go as fast as you want. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong with them.
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by werekong
SSh, I've read most, if not all, of your reviews. In fact, your reviews played a large part in my "list". One clarification questioln: When you say that the Elan S12, RX8, and 6* are "comparable" do you mean that they are equally demanding? I was under the impression that The S12 was less demanding than either the RX8 or 6*. In SkiPress the RX8 and 6* are in the high performance category while the S12 is in the sport category. I realize that different sources rank/categorize skis differently, that's what's confusing.
The RX8 is 115/66/98 and the S12 is 112/67/100. They are both in the all mountain/carving classification of their manufacturers' lines. I compare them directly to each other, and consider the RX8 better for me only because it is ever-so-slightly more energetic than the S12. The S12 has a really unique "feel" from the Fusion system, however, that almost pushed it over the top (but, didn't quite). I believe them to be comparable skis, together with the 6*. The 6* is less demanding this year with the Piston bindings than last year.

In the Nordica line, the SpeedMachine 14 (or 12 for the 5* et. al.) is probably closer to these than the SUV, which is Nordica's "All Around Sport" ski.

I hope this isn't too much, and that it's helpful!
post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
"You could go a little shorter to make them easier to "throw around" when you get tired."
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How does 170 cm in the RX8 sound, short enough (remember, I'm 6'1", 210 lbs)? Too short?
post #19 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the link, Ghost, I'll check it out.

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Quote By ssh: " I hope this isn't too much, and that it's helpful!"

I'd rather have too much than too little!
Are you saying that in terms of fatigue factor, the S12 and RX8 are about the same with the 6* maybe a little more tiring? You just like the "feel" of the RX8 better than the S12. Did the RX8 and S12 handle about the same in crud?
post #20 of 25
I own the S12 fusion and have demo'd the RX8. My opinion: RX8-a bit faster turning and a bit more reponsive. S12-smoother, more stable at higher speeds and in crud. It does give up some of the maneuverability to gain this added stability,but not much. I find it more versatile than the RX8, but both are GREAT skis and I could be happy with either. I would say the RX8 is a little higher energy and the s12 a bit more relaxing, but still extremely maneuverable and def. more solid feeling at higher speeds.
My 0.02 worth. I am admitedly no expert, but feel confident in these descriptions--at least for me. The good thing is they are both terrific and you really couldn't go too far wrong with either one. I bought the S12. Let us know what you decide.
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
quote from RiDeC58: "S12-smoother, more stable at higher speeds and in crud"
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This is important to me because I have Rossi slalom skis that get knocked around in crud. I wanted a second pair that could handle it better.

Would a 170 cm length be good for either the S12 or RX8?
post #22 of 25
S12 comes 168 and 176. I would say if you like cruising (GS turns etc) go for the 176. If you want to make lots of Sl style fall line turns, the 168 will be fine. I weigh 185lb and use the 168. I have no prob with any turn shape at this length. You are sig. larger. I think 176 might be the ticket--esp at speed. Please demo if you can.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
I own the S12 fusion and have demo'd the RX8. My opinion: RX8-a bit faster turning and a bit more reponsive. S12-smoother, more stable at higher speeds and in crud. It does give up some of the maneuverability to gain this added stability,but not much. I find it more versatile than the RX8, but both are GREAT skis and I could be happy with either. I would say the RX8 is a little higher energy and the s12 a bit more relaxing, but still extremely maneuverable and def. more solid feeling at higher speeds.
My 0.02 worth. I am admitedly no expert, but feel confident in these descriptions--at least for me. The good thing is they are both terrific and you really couldn't go too far wrong with either one. I bought the S12. Let us know what you decide.
RiDeC58, I concur completely! I have not skied the S12 in crud, but everything else you say rings exactly true, so that makes perfect sense.
post #24 of 25
werekong----don't overlook the K2 Crossfires. I have put that ski through its paces and it performs well all over the mtn. in all conditions. (remarkable on ice for a K2) That's the beauty of it.....It does everything and gets a B+ but no A's. I find the workmanship (visual inspection) to be fery good. It is a comfortable quick turning ski that works at all speeds.

I have a set of RX 9's on the way. From what I've heard and read I think the RX 8 would have similar traits to the Crossfire but may be slightly less forgiving.

My friend (female and a lot older than you!) has the Volkl 5* and likes those.

DEMO-----DEMO---DEMO---
post #25 of 25
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I don't know if its possible to shed any more light on my situation. So, thanks for all the advice. I'll be going to the end of season sales to see which deal is the best, and pull the trigger. Thanks, again!.
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