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2nd set of skis for quiver?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I currently have Salomon Supermountain 186cm skis and am considering adding a complementary ski to the quiver. Need suggestions.

I started alpine skiing last year with Volkl G20 178cm skis and upgraded to Salomons after skiing about 50 days. I live in Seattle and have a season pass for Snoqualmie Summit (Alpental). Will also ski other Pac NW areas and make maybe one trip out of the region next season. Can't ski as much this year, but hope to get out 30 times a year for the next few seasons as I build skills. Probably an upper intermediate, lower advanced right now. Aggressive, good athlete (used to race bikes, 5'11', 200 lbs), enjoy all terrain and conditions, will venture into backcountry end of this season if I build skiing and snow skills up another notch.

Am considering a recreational slalom, since I'd like to get a ski that is quick edge to edge, good for short turns in fall line and still good for long fast gs style turns, good in bumps, groomed snow, and fun to use when I ski with my girlfriend and various friends, who are mostly beginners and intermediates. Also should handle Pac NW conditions like crud when not bad enough to pull out SuperMountains.

I have a friend with Volkl Platinum P40's and that or a similar ski seems like another option.

Your thoughts?
post #2 of 17
A slalom is a good idea as it will be good in the bumps and ice to compliment your fat ski. Also versatile enough to go most places. I suggest demo a race slalom. I think being athletic you will advance quickly especially with the number of days you are putting in. A race ski will force you to put your weight in the right place and bring you along even quicker.
post #3 of 17
Try the Rossi 9s or the older 9x Race pro. Another very nice Slalom ski is the Stoeckli SR but I guess that may be difficult to get in the US. Also the Blizzard Sigma slalom model.(Can't remember the number)
post #4 of 17
Hmm, the man has been skiing for about 50 days and you guys urge him to get race slalom skis? Especially since he wants to use them for recreational skiing and skiing with beginner friends.

Darellcraig, here is a slightly different opinion:

I agree that a short, slalom ski seems to fit the bill, but I would think twice about getting a super stiff race model unless you actually demo one and love it. Here are some slalom skis that are a notch (or several notches) below race level and still deliver a serious punch:

1. K2 Mach S (high end slalom ski which is also good for all mountain skiing)
2. Rossi Viper X or Cobra X (the Cobra is wider, softer - good for nastier snow)
3. Head Space Xti (extreme carve and good for all mountain groomed)
4. Fischer Sceneo 3 (short, wide and carvy)

I listed them in decending order of difficulty.

In my opinion, too many people go for high-end equipment that they do not need. My advice is to get a ski that meets your requirements for 90% of the situations. Unless you actually race or you are an expert, getting a race slalom ski is like getting a binding with DIN setting 6-14 and setting it at 6. NCskier mentioned that a race ski will force you to improve your technique and bring you along even quicker. While that does make sense, the risk is that you will struggle with a race ski and have just as much chance to build poor, defensive skills that will be hard to break down the line.

Good luck in your selection,
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback. I'm leaning toward's Tomb's perspective. I skied on the Salomon Supermountains about 20 days last year (after 50 on the Volkl G20s) and really like the ski for more aggressive skiing and in more difficult snow situations. I'll always use it in those situations. I have a ski buddy who spent high school and a couple of years afterwords skiing 100 days a year at Bridger Bowl - I'll use them when I ski with him.

The second ski is for groomed snow conditions and putting around with friends, almost all of whom ski a handful of times a year and will stick to groomed intermediate slopes. The Supermountains are too much ski in that situation, so the idea was to get a rec slalom or maybe even a twintip ski like the Salomon 1080 or Rossi Pow'Air (?) that will be fun to ski. I see myself sliding down the slopes with them, working on skill building, darting in and out, varying turn shapes, etc. I almost bought a pair of last year's Rossi T Power Vipers in a 167 or 174 during end of season blow out sales.
post #6 of 17
>>"A race ski will force you to put your weight in the right place and bring you along even quicker."<<

That statement just doesn't make all that much sense to me. Skis are so specialized now that they really do perform best in their niche. Race skis tend to be unforgiving, especially in bumps and varied terrain(in comparison to skis for that purpose). I will second TomB in questioning a race ski for darrelcraig. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

It sounds to me like a ski in the all-mountain-carver niche (would fit the bill nicely). A hot carver with an eye for all-terrain.
post #7 of 17
I'd like to add a vote for the Rossi T-power cobra.
I have the S version but I think the X version is the same thing with a different paint job.
post #8 of 17
I agree with TomB. I've seen too many skiers on race gear that would have a lot more fun (and improve more rapidly) on something else.

Some good skis have been listed. Let me add one more. The Stockli Skycarve II in a 168 or 178.

It's the same shape as the Laser SC but not as high strung. The Skycarve II has a huge sweet spot and would be very fun in the role you've described.
post #9 of 17
Check out the member #s of Nakona and myself. Very strange. I'm off to buy some lottery tickets.
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post #11 of 17
Am just buying (waiting for season close out sale here) Blizzard FR18 twintips 175cm as my new second pair. They are stiff enough to behave like a recreational slalom on the groomed and short and mobile enough to do well in bumps and steeps. In the spring snow we had in the last few weeks of the Australian season those babies held a line and cut perfectly through the crud without any loss of stability.

Unfortunately they are, like all Blizzards, pretty ugly. The Austrians don't seem to place a premium on trendy topskin designs.
post #12 of 17
My quiver is the X-Scream Series and the SuperMountain. I think a high performance all mountain ski would be a better solution for you. Just about everybody makes something that will blow the socks off a SuperMountain for stability at speed, edge hold, and quickness. It'll also be far more suited to the Cascades than a pair of SL boards. If you lived in the east and frequently saw rock-hard groomers and ice bumps, a slalom ski might make more sense. The SuperMountain has a 78mm waist. Go with a mid-fat that's about 10mm narrower. There are _MANY_ excellent choices in the category. These are the best sellers of every ski company and there's a reason for it.
post #13 of 17
As has been well documented in these parts, I originally was enthralled with the Rossi T-Power Cobra X [now the Viper or whatever] for the usual eastern conditions, and so I bought it in a 160 cm length. Then we had that EPIC year last season with more snow than the shorty slalom could handle [more than this SKIER could handle!], so I added the K2 Mod 7/8 [now the Axis] in a 174 cm length, which really worked out well. I'll be interested to learn what you choose. I will vigorously second the notion that people frequently are sold skis of greater performance potential than they need or can handle - thus, they are saddled with a ski that has a high end potential but is difficult to handle for that particular skier. The result, in my own opinion and experience, is less pleasure and less learning. Buy and ski what you can handle TODAY . . . the way the world is going, TODAY tends to be REALLY IMPORTANT!
post #14 of 17
DC, as a fellow Alpentonian I am going to back up TomB as well. You do not want or need a race ski. Look at the all mountain carvers suggested here. I would stay away from the Mach S and look at the standard Mach in K2's line. Rossignol look at the T-Power Viper Series of skis. Volkl P50 Platinum would be another good choice or even the Volkl V4 Energy.
You Supermountains are fun skis but are very limited to what kind of terrain they ski well. If you were to go with a mid-fat like a K2 Axis, you would probably get the carving you are looking for but still has a ride that will perform exceptionally well in all other conditions. Drawback here is that when it get's really firm the Axis will not carve as well as the other skis I have mentioned. All pending on what you really want out of this ski will make your decision. Skis are a huge investment so my advice is to think down the road a bit and where your skiing may be next year and what ski will best suit your needs.
post #15 of 17

I have the Mod X (now the Axis X), great for all conditions except when it's boiler plate / ice. I bought a pair of Atomic 9.18 and they excel in harder groomed conditions. They are not a race ski (30 mph limit) but I doubt your girlfriend ski's that fast.

Another ski you might want to consider is the Volkl Vertigo G2 Energy.

post #16 of 17
I am looking for a compliment for my 186 Supermountains, also. The first ski I want to try is the Rossi Power-T Viper X. It got rated really high for both cruising and moguls in all the magazines. Others I am looking at are the K2 Mach S & the K2 Axis X or Axis X Pro.
post #17 of 17

The key word in your last post is "try." If try = demo, then you are on the right track. I would also look into what Atomic and the Volkl motion have to offer.
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