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Metrons vs. Ice

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm Looking to demo some dedicated shorties with a nice curvy slalom sidecut.
Because I'm looking for them to be used only on our nice eastern hardpack (and the "brown ice" at Cannon) Should I look into the metrons as I demo? They have the sidecut I want, but with that wide all-mountain waist I think their edge-grip might be suspect

thoughts?
post #2 of 22
By all means, get on some Metrons. I had has them out on some hardpack (not ice, but it was hard) and they grip was tenacious. The ski is very stiff torsionally and Atomic has some of the best edges out there. It is truely the best "do everything" ski I have skied and I don't throw praise around like that too often. I am trying to beg, grovel, steal or whatever I have to do to get on a pair....I might (and will) even PAY for a pair!
post #3 of 22
They're very good, but a dedicated slalom is still better on true ice. Try the B5, they are better than any slalom in all other conditions.
post #4 of 22
I would not hesitate to demo the Metron, especially the b5. I have skied it on virtually every possible condition (other than bottomless powder), and found that it holds hardpack and ice as well as anything other than a hardcore slalom. Try 'em, I bet you like 'em.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I am trying to beg, grovel, steal or whatever I have to do to get on a pair....I might (and will) even PAY for a pair!
There's a M:10 178 on SF area's craigslist
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/spo/58242849.html

He still have them as of this morning.

I really wish they are 164
post #6 of 22
I would say that a race slalom ski fits the description of your requirements most suitably. You asked for a dedicated ice ski, not something that does everything, so don't accept compromises, especially if you're using the golf bag technique.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by dupersc
There's a M:10 178 on SF area's craigslist
http://www.craigslist.org/sby/spo/58242849.html

He still have them as of this morning.

I really wish they are 164
Heckava deal...I need a 171
post #8 of 22
I demoed the Metron B5 earlier in the week, and I concur with the cability of B5 to hold on ice on a night when my personal Volkly 6* was having some problems with the conditions.

My personal opinion: The M-b5 is a "big" ski. It is surprisingly quick edge to edge, and it cuts through junk without flinching. Once you got it on edge, it lays down an arc like nobody's business. It is a VERY stiff (much stiffer than my 6*) ski. It's a ski I have to remember to stay on top of, because it accelerates into a turn something fierce.

With all that said about what a great ski the B5, I personally don't like it. It is not my style. Once it locks into a turn, it takes aggressive driving to get it out of it. It likes to carve so much that changing turn shapes requires work. Really short radius turns takes a LOT of work. It's no fun, at least for my style, to maneuver them. In moguls, it was like trying to maneuver a supersonic jet fighter between buildings in a city. Not much fun, but doable. Personaly it's not the ski for my style, th ough I can appreciate its superior attributes.
post #9 of 22

Short turns

As they say different strokes for different folks.

I feel my b5's are extremely adept at short radius turns. AND extremely stable to boot.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Gotama
As they say different strokes for different folks.

I feel my b5's are extremely adept at short radius turns. AND extremely stable to boot.
I would agree. One of the B5's strengths is it's ability to make any shape turn and move form one shape to another without skipping a beat. Yes very stable too. Hard snow edge hold is great as well. Later, RicB.
post #11 of 22
Skied the B5 and the SL11 today and the 11 is a better ice skate . Versatility goes to the B5. I was just blown away with what a great hard snow and ice carver the SL11 is. The narrower waist on the 11 makes it act like a scapel on ice.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by josseph
With all that said about what a great ski the B5, I personally don't like it. It is not my style. Once it locks into a turn, it takes aggressive driving to get it out of it. It likes to carve so much that changing turn shapes requires work. Really short radius turns takes a LOT of work. It's no fun, at least for my style, to maneuver them. In moguls, it was like trying to maneuver a supersonic jet fighter between buildings in a city. Not much fun, but doable. Personaly it's not the ski for my style, th ough I can appreciate its superior attributes.
Just shows how different strokes are for different folks! I find it very versatile in terms of turn shape. I also enjoyed in in all the moguls where I have skied it. So, one's personal skiing style certainly comes into play...
post #13 of 22
josseph, what do you weigh and what size did you demo?
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
SL11's are def. on my list. Glad to hear you liked them. How powerful was this ski? Something you need to drive really hard? Or can you make some relaxed turns on them. I was thinking about the SL9's if the 11's were a superstiff gotta keep them under control at all times kinda ski but I'm afraid the 9's might be soft if pushed hard.
post #15 of 22
I skied the Atomic 9'12 for a couple of years which I believe was the forerunner for the SL9. I didn't get the feeling at all that the SL 11 needed to be pushed all that hard. There is a ton of performance packed into this ski, but it can be enjoyed in my opinion when skied at moderate speeds. The 9 may not deliver the same tenacious edge grip that the 11 demonstrated on ice.

I really would need to ski both skis back to back to be able to make a more informed opinion. I think my preference now runs for the stiffer of the two skis. I weigh 185 . Maybe if I was lighter my preference would be for the softer of the two skis.
post #16 of 22
Roundturns

What do you weigh and what size SL:11 do you like for free skiing?
post #17 of 22
185 lbs. the SL11 I skied was 164 cm. This ski is really a great hard snow carving ski, Ski it slow or fast and hard, it is very versatile. Its fun in moguls too , but the magnesium beta lobes in it probably aren't well suited for skiing moguls.
post #18 of 22
I picked up some SL9's last year in a 170, looking for a slalom ski with some versatility. I can't say enough about the ski...good in crud, spring snow and a bit of powder, and a great grip, better grip than my Volkl p40 sl's. They cut wide variety of turns with a nice arc. I spent the morning chasing a former Olympic XC skier who can go 40 on 10 ounce xc skis (he was on R11's today). We ran all the outruns at about 50 mph on hard snow and those skis did not wimp out on any of the ice (I'm 180 lbs).

For running gates the sl11 will be quicker edge to edge but I don't think the sl9 would come up short on grip or power
post #19 of 22
Just look at my name. Edge hold is extremely important to me! If you use a modicum of proper carving form, these will easily get you way up on the edges, giving you great boilerplate hold. What's incredible about these skiis is that you can disregard whether you are approaching a section of ice, crud or cordouroy, because thes babies will carry you through all of this, while you mumble to yourself....is this really me.


As far as versatility, they make sweet short turns and very stable high speed GS turns. Personally, I own the 172's. I didn't find the 162's as nice for me 5'10", 190#
post #20 of 22
Thanks for the info Roundturns. I am going to give sl:11's a try.

Vermont Ice - What skis are you talking about, the B5?
post #21 of 22
Sorry......I was talking about the Metron b5's
post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
I should be taking some Sl11's out on wednesday up at Cannon. I think that the weight of the metrons is making me leery, but I want to give them a shot at some point because of all the good words about them.

is it bad that I am hoping it rains on tuesday and then freezes so i have some nice hard snow for the 11's?
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