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Looking for a new ski suit.. Opinions appreciated..

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I'm going to purchase a new ski suit this season. I used to work in a ski shop, and had pk training from a few different manufacturers, so I'm fairly knowledgeable when it comes to outerwear, and I know what to look for. My last suits were from Avalanche, The North Face, and Uberal. I'm 22, a former ski racer, and I have a tendency to be cold.

- I'm looking for something insulated with some degree of insulation

- I always wear thermal underwear, and a #200 fleece.

I'd loved to hear some good/bad opinions on different manufacturers, and basically any products that I shouldn't miss when carrying out my search for the perfect suit this season. I've just started, but so far I've had a look at stuff from TNF, Rossignol, and Marmot, with mixed results.

TIA

Evan
post #2 of 22
Bogner make a great one piece lined with the scrotum of the Minke Whale (they buy them from Japanese research animals, so no environmental issue for you there), with a Tibetan Otter fur collar (slightly dubious but don't worry about it). It has 15 carat solitaire diamonds as zip pulls and and is completely un-waterproof, unwindproof and isn't breathable. Also it only retails for US$250,000, and is widely stocked in supermarkets and malls all over the world. It is briht pink and lime green with an orange stripe right through the goolies. I recommend it absolutely.
post #3 of 22
Huffy makes an excellent ski suit.
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Oh sorry, my mistake.. I guess I was under the impression that I had posted a valid question.

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Thanks for the help guys. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #5 of 22
Okay, Powder, sorry. A little too much on the irreverence scale.

Honestly, it sounds like, given your experience, you already know more than many, if not most, people on this forum. Anyway, yes, of course, a very valid question. I have heard good things about Marmot products but my Obermeyer and Boulder Gear and Lowe Alpine gear, while not being at the top end of the scale, have sufficed well. I don't really need the high-tech, keep-everything-out gear, as I'm not in, say, the Pacific Northwest a lot. Maybe a few bears from the more extreme regions, where weather-resistance and StayToasty traits are crucial.
I'm sure you WILL get more helpful feedback.
post #6 of 22
post #7 of 22
Although the reply about Bogner was a bit goofy (blame the lack of on-snow time, plus the whole "bogner = more cash than brains predjudice), they do make good quality stuff so hunt one down and try it out.
Bogner's web site is just a horrible example of unnavigable web design so I won't point you there. Find a retailer.

You might also try Descente (big in the Japan market)
http://www.descenteski.com/default.htm
(But it doesn't have the 2002/2003 info up yet.)

Good runs when they come, and stay warm.
post #8 of 22
I went through the process of finding a new jacket at the beginning of the southern season and was rather disappointed in the quality of some of the big names. Finally came across Killy and cannot speak highly enough of this brand. From what I’ve seen they are arguably one of the best European brands, and are not even in the same league as the US brands. I’m not sure how readily they are available in the US, but know they are available in Canada. They are NOT cheap however.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Pete

http://www.killysport.com
post #9 of 22
Go with a neon green with neon pink and neon orange highlite one piece. You'll stand out in the crowd.
post #10 of 22
A set of Carhart overalls on top of Hot Chillys with an ordinary columbia system will keep you warm as hell.

Not real fashionable of course, but cheap.
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by nakona:
A set of Carhart overalls on top of Hot Chillys with an ordinary columbia system will keep you warm as hell.

Not real fashionable of course, but cheap.
Red or Black lining on the Carharts? and what hat to cap it off with?

[ October 16, 2002, 07:00 AM: Message edited by: Tanglefoot ]
post #12 of 22
I used to get cold until I realised I was wearing too much insulation. Getting hot and sweaty on the way down is a sure fire way to get cold on the lift and stay that way for the rest of the day.

Most of the time I get by with thermals, a fleece (often a sleveless one) and a shell. Plus the two essentials to stop heat loss from the collar and head - a windstopper neck tube and a good hat (essential for those of us with too many years and too much testosterone ). Oh and a neoprene face mask in the sack just in case.

Ok, I realise that this is for Europe and I would need a bit more for a US East Coast cold spell! Never had the misfortune to hit a really cold snap on my trips across the pond, although I did miss -43 C in Lake Louise by a week once.

Nick
post #13 of 22
From the inside out:
Top half:
Silking thermal top
Fusalp microfleece
Tenson MXP jacket

Legs:
Tenson MXP trousers (never needed silks under them, even on the coldest days in Winter Park)

Feet:
Salomon Technical socks (can't remember their name, but they are thin)

Hands:
Silk liners (very old, no idea what brand)
Salomon Gore-tex gloves (relatively expensive, but well worth it)

Head:
Either a marino woollen hat or a turtle fur one. Neoprene face mask.

It works for me.

S
post #14 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by TheRockSkier:
Bogner make a great one piece lined with the scrotum of the Minke Whale (they buy them from Japanese research animals, so no environmental issue for you there), with a Tibetan Otter fur collar (slightly dubious but don't worry about it). It has 15 carat solitaire diamonds as zip pulls and and is completely un-waterproof, unwindproof and isn't breathable. Also it only retails for US$250,000, and is widely stocked in supermarkets and malls all over the world. It is briht pink and lime green with an orange stripe right through the goolies. I recommend it absolutely.
RockSkier really really really hates Bogner. Now, is that the kind of hate where the dirty secret is that you really are afraid that in a moment of weakness you might like it? [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #15 of 22
In my opinion, stuff made for the mountaineering market is better made, better designed, and more durable than stuff marketed to skiers. This is especially the case with gloves and mittens, which are much warmer (look at the Mountain Hardwear, Black Diamond, and Marmot ones).

If you want a one piece suit, there used to be one made by Patagonia designed for ice climbing, but I don't know if it is made any more. I personally think that a shell and pants are much more versatile. I had a Lowe Alpine shell jacket for the last 7 years which I liked very much, and just replaced it with the Arteryx Alpha SV shell (found on sale at REIoutlet.com). I think the combination of a shell and varying layers of fleece works pretty well, and lets you be comfortable in all conditions (I use the stuff for mountaineering, too). The latest thing seems to be "soft shell" garmets which are not as waterproof as goretex, membrain, and the like, but breathe better. Probably not as useful in places like the PNW, where it's wet alot.

As someone else mentioned, ventilation and getting rid of sweat is key, especially since skiing involves such varying levels of exertion.
post #16 of 22
My mid-winter layering for years has been:

upper

thermal base layer
wicking material shirt
Windstopper fleece
3 ply Gore tex shell

lower

thermal base layer
3 ply Gore tex shell pants

gloves - always leather

socks - always Thorlo

hat - preferably fleece lined
post #17 of 22
I would agree with dp. Mountain Hardware makes great stuff that is light, warm, functional, and durable. I am told the company was started by original North Face personel that wanted out prior to North Face's problems a few years back. The only negative is the price and the fact that it is rarely discounted.
post #18 of 22
Powderhoundin, Patagonia does still make a technical suit. Best place to get one might be the outlet store in Dillan Montana. They are very helpful and take orders by phone and you can get some incredible deals there. I bought my one piece there about 5 years ago, it was 90 % off = $75.00. Most comfortable gear I've ever skied in, and you can't beat the quality. Go to patagonia website to get to the outlet website, they'll have the phone number there. Good luck.
post #19 of 22
I would check out the gear at MEC (the REI of Canada) at http://www.mec.ca. They make great, functional, inexpensive gear and I've had fantastic luck with every product I've purchased there. I did a quick search and found their Omega suit, designed for mountaineering, ice climbing and backcountry skiing. It is $495 Canadian, so if you're buying with US dollars this is an amazingly incredible deal on a technical, Goretex XCR suit. You can find it at http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=196475&bmUI D=1035052827789.

I agree with earlier posters that the quality of gear designed for mountaineering is WAY better than stuff designed specifically for skiers. I also think you should just get a shell and use layers for clothing. Much more flexible and more functional, actually.

I also think you should get separate jacket and pants. I got the Fall Line bibs from MEC, they work great, and I'll have had done to them is get some extra thick cordura ankle patches stitched on after my first season (REI did it for $25).
post #20 of 22
Pants by Marmot.
Shell by Mountain Equipment Coop.
Gloves by Marmot.

I'd buy all three again in a heart beat. They're all awesome.
post #21 of 22
Quote:
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
From the inside out:
Top half:
Silking thermal top
Fusalp microfleece
Tenson MXP jacket

Legs:
Tenson MXP trousers (never needed silks under them, even on the coldest days in Winter Park)

Feet:
Salomon Technical socks (can't remember their name, but they are thin)

Hands:
Silk liners (very old, no idea what brand)
Salomon Gore-tex gloves (relatively expensive, but well worth it)

Head:
Either a marino woollen hat or a turtle fur one. Neoprene face mask.

It works for me.

S
And we appreciate the face mask.
post #22 of 22
Yeah, it gives you ugly punks a chance at scoring when my face is hidden...

S
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